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Dainty Bess - no spray?
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rosesinny 7a (
nefw2@yahoo.com) on
Sat, Feb 16, 13 at 16:50
| I want to get the rose but I'm not going to spray. Obviously east coast in NYC, so I'm wondering if anyone has a clue as to disease resistance? Darlow's Enigma, Sally Holmes and Lyda Rose are all nice but I got rid of them because they're just way too big. Pleasantrie is even bigger and I got rid of that too. I'd like a nice, smaller single and wife likes Dainty Bess, so that's it if I can pull it off. |
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RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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- Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
Sat, Feb 16, 13 at 18:16
| It is not blackspot free in my garden and can defoliate but it's too darn beautiful to be without! |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| I have a Black/White photo somewhere of D.B. growing in my grandmother's East Sandy Eggo Co. garden. It was a good, tall, vigorous plant, and heavy with bloom. We tried to grow it here, and it didn't like our cooler climate, and/or our alkaline conditions, or, perhaps, growing without rootstock to push it. So it didn't grow well, and it mildewed. I think, were I to plant it here again, I would want a budded plant. But, FWIW, two that DID do well here were Betty Prior and Poulsen's Pearl. Check those out. Here is Betty Prior. Jeri |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| I love Dainty Bess. She's always in bloom and over 6 feet tall, but not terribly wide. I have a hot, dry climate during the growing season with no black spot, so I don't know about the spraying, though. I do have alkaline soil, and that doesn't seem to matter. My DB is grafted on Dr Huey. Diane |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| It will need spray, as will Betty Prior. See if you can find Kathleen Ferrier. It isn't blackspot free, but is growable no spray. |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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Jeri - STOP IT. I agonised over Betty Prior, reluctantly deciding to resist ordering (a very expensive nursery).....and you have started the lusting all over again.
Seil, yes, agreed. DB (and Mrs O Fisher) are a bit miffy but utterly gorgeous. I simply ignore the BS (and even touches of mildew) because it is a rose too lovely to be without.
Oh, and just because I can (I think) post pics, here is The Charlatan - another miff, but so delicious.
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RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| A dozen DBs in a no-spray public garden here died out from blackspot defoliation and consequent winter kill. |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| Killer pic, Camp. I'm going to have to research The Charlatan to see if it's even available here. |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| Dainty Bess + no spray = no leaves. |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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'Dainty Bess + no spray = no leaves.'
Yep, it's true. Mutabilis (for me) is exactly the same but, I find that both these single roses, if grown among grasses or other forgiving foliage, look really very good - much more like typical airy perennials (gaura, knautia, various asteraceae). Grown as specimen shrubs, they look truly miserable. Amazingly, their overall vigour (which isn't massive) doesn't decline further despite the total midsummer defoliation. |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| "No leaves" is not true if you live where there is NO black spot. There are a few of us who live in these places. Diane |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| True, Diane. However, the original poster lives where disease is very much an issue, or she wouldn't have been asking, right? ;-) |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| This thread has sealed the deal. I don't know where I'm gonna put her, but I'm getting her! Anne |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| Yeah, it's most definitely an issue here, which is why I asked. Interesting that some things I've grown or neighbors have grown don't seem to behave the same elsewhere. Mutabilis for example, was lush and green and had very little BS. Just gets huge. The singles I mentioned aren't completely disease free, but they don't defoliate entirely, so they're acceptable. It's been difficult coming up with things that aren't going to defoliate entirely but there are a few that are pretty good out here. I don't know Charlatan at all but wow, it sure looks beautiful. How is that with disease? And thanks to all the replies! Kind of what I thought but I figured I'd ask. |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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| Late to the party, but it wasn't resistant for me at all in eastern Monmouth County, NJ, and required a regular fungicide treatment. |
RE: Dainty Bess - no spray?
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The Charlatan is a Meilland rose with many names - Sweet Pretty and also Astronomia.
Sadly, it does get a bit of PM but not everywhere at once - I whip dodgy leaves off pretty quickly and manage to stay on top (too slothful to spray rather than principled). |
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