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Posted by avalonweddingsbcs 8 (My Page) on Fri, Feb 5, 10 at 23:53
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what exactly is an antique rose? I think it means it's just one that has been around for a long time.
I have always liked floribundas and grandifloras... i always thought antiques were small, single flowers but a nursery says they get all kinds... |
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| Oh, those are only a part of the antiques. Go check out the antique forum if you're curious. There are a whole bunch of older rose classes, some of which are largely single roses, but most of which are doubles. The flower forms vary much more, as do the growth habits, fragrances, and tolerances for differing garden climates. You're right - it means they're "old". As I understand it the term usually refers to roses that were in commerce before the advent of the first hybrid tea (in the late 1800's). Some of them are reblooming roses in the same sense that hybrid teas & floribundas are, but there are many that only bloom once per year (generally in late spring/very early summer, whenever that happens to be for you). |
RE: Here's one picture of a famous antique rose
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| The Gallica rose Tuscany Superb. This is just one way the flower sometimes appears. In other lighting, in other soils, or even the same soil on the same bush, or the same flower at different times in its life it may appear dark crimson, maroon, burgundy, smokey purple, grape, or even have hints of dark copper (or all of them at once). |
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| Antique would be another name for a class that existed before 1867 the year of introduction of the first official hybrid tea. Hybrid Perpetuals, Tea, China and Bourbons are repeat blooming antique rose classes. Alba's.Damasks, Gallicas and Centifolia's are the old once blooming antique rose classes. |
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| The roses on china and fabrics are usually antique roses, very often centifolia roses. I am sure you must have noticed these patterns. |
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| The Antique forum has a gallery too, check it out. Masha |
Here is a link that might be useful: Antique Forum Gallery
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When I first started growing roses I started with around 70 different varieties. There were HTs, floribundas, grandifloras, minis, david austins, and some of the antiques like teas, chinas and noisettes.
That was 5 years ago or more. Many, MANY of the hts, floribundas and grandifloras have died. None of the antiques have died. Many other of the modern roses I've dug up and thrown out.
In my garden, the modern roses in general (with a few exceptions), were unhealthy. I sprayed for a few years then stopped because I got tired of all of the trouble.
The main reason many of the modern roses got pulled out of my garden though was because I didn't like the way they grew. Many of them grow straight up and then bloom on the top. The chinas, teas, and noisettes are much branchier, blooming all of the way to the ground. They are really pretty plants, even without flowers. And the chinas, teas and noisettes bloom all season long, not just in the spring like some of the other antique roses.
I like the David Austins because they are branchier and have a pretty habit overall like the antique roses. The main problem with antique roses is that it is really hard to find them locally. I have to get them online. You won't find them at Walmart!
Carrie |
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| Many of them grow straight up and then bloom on the top. Which suits them well for the florist trade, a far larger market for breeders than garden roses will ever be. |
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| This is the first year I actually have started to appreciate OGR. |
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| the florist trade, a far larger market for breeders than garden roses will ever be. *** Yes, but these are usually completely separate cultivars. Things we gardeners never see. Jeri |
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| Check out the Heirloom Roses website and Rogue Valley Roses website. They have beautiful photos and will give you more information on the different roses. Antique roses often don't bloom as much, but if you like daffodils, tulips, lilacs, peonies and other flowers that bloom for a time in the garden, I think you'll love the antique roses. Just find some other flowers that will bloom well for you in late July and August. Many of the old roses are beautiful and have a wonderful fragrance. I'm getting gallicas (Belle de Crecy) for my "fairy" garden for the nieces, because they change color from dark pink to purple. Magical :) |
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| Antique and old-garden roses are the most beautiful of all roses. They are the roses of our dreams. Research them, get them, enjoy them! Juliet |
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| I'm such a garden snob that I don't plant ANYTHING that only blooms for a short season, unless that season is winter! But the antiques I grow bloom their fool heads off from spring till frost! |
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Avalon,
I consider myself a "typical" poster on the forum. Eight years ago I thought roses were just like the bouquet I get DW each February. That's the kind I started with. After hanging around here a few years I was exposed to the other kinds of roses. I slowly started to appreciate Antique or OGR roses. I started to add Austins, which are bridge roses for many of us. Austins provide OGR bloom form to a modern rose. As I got used to the antique bloom form, I started adding some true antiques including a Bourbon, a Portland and a Gallica. I like them all. Antique roses are just part of the natural progression of rose growing. Try some. Harry |
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Avalon, they say a picture is worth a thousand words which goes a long with an idea I had a while back to erect billboards along the road to entice people to fall in love with Old Garden Roses the way I have. Here's one.
Bermuda's Anna Olivier
 To see more, try the link to the original thread, and while you're in the neighborhood check out the rest of the Antique Roses Forum. I wouldn't be able to grow roses in Florida if it weren't for OGRs since I don't spray and have sandy soil that's inhospitable to most rootstocks, but own-root warm climate OGRs do fine. In zone 8 you should have lots of choices among lots of OGR classes. Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: Billboard Campaign
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| Harry, what you experienced is exactly what I am starting to go through..I am starting to love the OGR's |
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I think some people become fans of the OGR or the old rose form in spite of themselves.
I have a garden centre nearby that has always stocked a wide selection of old roses along with the others. The rose display was always a bit haphazard in layout - and for someone like me with very little knowledge of roses - my choices were made either by appearance - or recommendation by an experienced friend. After a bit of trial and error over the years, this is what I ended up with growing in my garden:
Souvenir de la Malmaison
Jacques Cartier
Perle D'Or
Gloire de Dijon
Buff Beauty
Felicia
New Dawn
Seagull
Mermaid
Crepescule
Constance Spry
Heritage
Abraham Darby
Evelyn
Gertrude Jekyll
Sweet Juliet
Graham Thomas
Golden Celebration
Sharifa Asma |
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| Well I sort of prefer modern roses, but my new Archduke Charles is fast becoming one of my very favorites, if not THE favorite. I've only had it as a gallon for 3 months and it is already going into its second flush (2 blooms the first time, 4 right now). Also, I ordered Souvenir de St. Anne's, I don't know how it will turn out, but for a wedding setting I think it would be lovely as far as the way the blooms look. |
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