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| I am confused. I am very new to growing roses and have a question.
I have a David Austin Golden Celebration (not in the ground yet... but in a 15" pot for about two weeks now). I ordered it at Chamblee. When reading up on this plants habit it looks like there are two different plants.. one a shrub and one a climber. ARE they actually different or is it categorized as "shrub or climber" because of growth habit and pruning? I am in Orlando so I think if this is the case it would be good for a climbing spot.?. |
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| Can't tell you about Orlando, but I can assure that the Austin shrubs and climbers are the same plant. It is all in how you prune them. For a shrub, you would probably spring-prune it back by about 1/3 to 1/2, and you might need to give it another pruning about mid-summer to keep it from growing long arms(canes) in some cases. For a climber, you probably would not prune it at all--let it grow arms(canes) as long as it wants or as tall as you want it. Then trim back side branches by about 1/2. I grow Austin's Mortimer Sackler as a shrub, but it is clear it would like to grow much taller and be a climber. I have to keep an eye on it and give it occasional haircuts to keep it shrublike. I seem to remember some posters claiming they grow Golden Celebration as a climber--but it forms a short climber, if I remember correctly. Hopefully someone with direct experience will come along and fill you in on it. Kate |
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| In SoCal, we've grown Golden Celebration for years. We have 6 plants. 1 on multiflora, 4 on Huey, 1 own. Root. They ALL grow as very lerge, bushy SHRUBS, planted as a large, informal hedge. I think you could make a climber out of it, but you'd have to work at it. And you'd lose a lot of bloom. This, as opposed to Graham Thomas, The Pilgrim, et al, which INSIST on climbing, here. Jeri in SoCal |
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| Thank you Kate, that is what I thought.. all in how I would prune it. Jeri! Also, I have an area that I want to plant it that gets sun the first 2/3 of the day and is in shade the latest (hottest) part of the day here. It's the ONE prime spot I have in my yard.. for a special rose that will get large. It is a corner 6' fence. I appreciate both of you very much. |
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| When the first plant (on Multiflora) was about 2 years old, Syl Arena said it was the biggest Golden Celebration he'd ever seen. It is easily 5 ft. tall, and perhaps close to 6, and it is big around. This is our hedge of 'Golden Celebration,' photographed in April, 2010. (It is presently just in bud.) The hedge is about 6 plants long, and planted on a hillside. The top plant is the oldest -- several years old, and on Multiflora. It is presently about 6 ft. tall, and 6 ft. in diameter.
These plants are never pruned. When we used to prune them, they had immense dieback problems. We quit pruning, and they quit dying back. All of these plants bloom as "croppers," blooming in successive flushes, after deadheading. (Un-deadheaded, I think they would be slower to repeat.) There is no rust or powdery mildew. The fragrance is magnificent. The vase life is impressive. The hedge was planted for privacy, and is located on the East side of our house. They get full morning sun, little-or-no afternoon sun. You are in Florida. Hope this is helpful. This is a rose I recommend for most of Southern CA, but I cannot speak to Florida conditions. Jeri |
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| Drool!!! That is an incredible photo! OMG I can't wait to get this baby in the ground. Ya I have already started reading up on treating blackspot. I JUST joined my local rose society and am reading on their site.. most of the rosarians here spray every week.. I did find one person so far that says they are growing over 40 David Austin roses here. Wow. Thank you so much for taking the time to share that beautiful pix!!! Cary~ |
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| Just remember, Cary -- Location, location, location. It is possible that this is a rose that can be grown spray-free in some areas, but not others. MANY roses have left here, because to grow them requires spraying with things that make dogs seizure, and "good bugs" die. It's all in what you're willing to give up, but some things aren't worth it. Seriously! Jeri |
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| I have gone to the David Austin Rose headquarters in Tyler Texas a number of times to pick up roses there, (and also to puck up roses at Chamblees Roses and to view the Tyler Municipal Rose Garden.) The people at the David Austin site were very gracious and allowed me to tour their facility. I went into the part of the facility where they keep the freshly-dug roses in a number of bins and saw the familiar green and white tags that they put on their roses. There are a number of roses that grow as large shrubs that can be trained as a climber, such as The Pilgrim, St. Swithun, Falstaff, etc. For these varieties, they have 2 different versions of the tag: one that says, for example "St. Swithun" and the other that "St. Swithun Climbing". They put one version or the other on each "St. Swithun plant EVEN THOUGH THESE ROSES ARE IDENTICAL TO EACH OTHER IN EVERY WAY! They have the same rootstock and the same scion and may, in fact, have been produced in the same row in the field. I do not know why they have chosen to market their plants in this way-to me, it just confuses people. To me, it would be more clear to simply state that these varieties that grow as large shrubs, can also be trained as climbers. |
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| Golden Celebration here doesn't need a lot of pruning. I deadheaded only mine for many years and it formed a lovely rounded shape all on its own--truly a "shrub" rose. This is the first year I've ever pruned it, and I took off about 40% because it was so huge and some dead wood was starting to appear. One of Mr. Austin's finest. |
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| Jeri, thanks for sharing your photo of Golden Celebration. So lovely! Wish I could grow it, but I won't buy roses that aren't more bs-resistant, so I have to content myself with enjoying your photos. Kate |
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I have my Golden Celebration on a trellis but it wasn't bought as a climber. It just kept getting bigger and bigger so I started to tie it up. Off it went and is now about 12 feet tall!  I like to bend the canes around as they grow so I get more lateral branches and more blooms. I suppose if I kept it pruned shorter it would make a fine shrub though. |
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| Truth is, if I didn't live in Southern California, I doubt I would grow this rose. Jeri |
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- Posted by canadian_rose zone 3a (My Page) on Tue, Mar 20, 12 at 19:29
| Wow!!! Those are gorgeous GCs!!!!! This is my first year that I've had a lot of green growth on my roses in the garage. I've finally figured out how to overwinter them. So I'm hoping for good things from Golden Celebration this year. Instead of starting out a couple of inches tall - it will be 2 1/2 feet tall. There has been no die back at all. Who knows it might even grow taller this summer. So bring on the blooms. Carol |
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