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| Those of you that have ever tangled with New Dawn are probably expecting to see my before and after wounded body parts! Fortunately, I've accomplished the task relatively unscathed! I took pictures (sorry I can only figure out how to do one picture a post) and I'll try to remember to update this with flush pictures in a few months. Mostly I wanted to add this just for reference. For myself I can't see enough whole plant/plant structure pictures. For the record this plant went in the ground from a 3-gallon pot 2 years ago so it is still rather young. Thanks to Paul Zimmerman's youtube video on how to prune and train a climber. The whole time I worked I heard his voice in my head: "main cane or lateral, main cane or lateral." Wild and wooly before: |
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| If someone wants to tell me how to rotate the picture which doesn't show up tilted for me until I downloaded I'll be happy to edit! Also note to self--next time I build a house, don't center water spickets in spaces your planning to put thorny monsters... |
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| They look great, and I love the trellises themselves. Can't wait to see pictures of them in bloom! |
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| You did a great job! And I agree with mericat, love the trellises! You will definitely have to post a picture when they bloom! |
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| THAT looks awesome. Keep us posted! |
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| You've done a great job, but The New Dawn will overwhelm those trellises. You have baby monsters there that will be nearly impossible to control. Good luck with them. Steve |
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| well true, it can be a beast but, I grow mine in a restricted space along a narrow path so it gets a VERY brutal trim every year.....and every year, back it grows. It has such fantastic vigour that you can be rather fierce in making demands that this rose behave itself. After all, what are loppers for? I leave mine looking considerably scantier than yours, subk. Good luck, love the trellis. |
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| Elks is right, my New Dawn gets way too large for those pretty trellises. I took mine down all the way to the ground this spring, and new canes are already 5-6 ft long. |
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| My original thought was as the rose throws out longer canes to send them up over the three roofs over each stoop. I've easily got 20' from the base at the ground up then over the tops of the roofs. (HMF has it with canes 10'-20') The trellis themselves are 3/8" STEEL sunk 3+ feet in the ground less than a foot from the foundation of the house. They also have the capability of being attached to the house if further stability is needed. I'd guess they are 100+ pounds each as it took two big guys to manhandle them into place. Just out of curiosity does that change anyone's mind as to whether the trellis will be overwhelmed? All that being said I've wasn't wild about the ND last year and this is a stellar spot for sun and an important focal point in my perennial garden. I have two Annie Laurie McDowells coming in a few weeks, but I figured it would be 18 months or so before they would be ready to replace these two. (Although ALM might go on my four board fence at the entrance to my farm.) I figured these two could get whacked back to next to nothing and put on my scruffy fence line behind the house where they would have unlimited space and could go wild with limited management and it wouldn't matter. |
This post was edited by subk3 on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 17:52
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- Posted by Jsmith1776 9b (My Page) on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 21:57
| Those two files that appears rotated 90 degrees is a Gardenweb problem. There is not options to rotate when you post in Gardenweb. I downloaded your files and it appears correctly when viewed with an image viewer. Here is your same file unedited. Just reposted. |
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- Posted by Jsmith1776 9b (My Page) on Sun, Mar 17, 13 at 4:12
| Second picture. Unedited just reposted, but still has the same problem. |
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- Posted by Jsmith1776 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 17, 13 at 4:47
| Your second pictures posted a second time. |
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- Posted by annececilia z4b/N.Michigan (My Page) on Sun, Mar 17, 13 at 6:52
| OK, so how DO you turn the hose on and off? Idle minds want to know... ;-) (Nice trellis, BTW, and good job with the ND's - should have tons of bloom for you the way you have those canes angled back and forth.) |
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| If you're planning to let the canes go over the roofs, they should look fabulous. When I referred to the trellises being overwhelmed, it was by the size of the plant, not its weight. Annecelilia, I have electrical outlets 'protected' by roses. Its always interesting when I have to use one. S |
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| They look great. I love how you criss crossed the canes to stay within the shape of the trellis. I whacked back my QE climber last week. I have a tendency to let my climbers to get really out of control ( my after would look like your before). But this year I'm doing take no prisoners pruning. I think having the longer canes going above is a great idea. Please post pictures when they are blooming. |
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| jsmith thanks for rotating my photos! They looked correct for me until they posted as well. I turn the hose on very, very carefully! ;-) It is certainly motivation to keep the rose whacked back as needed, but it is also why plan B is to maybe replace it with a thornless one. |
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| Oh boy. I vowed I wouldn't join this thread because I've put my ND days behind me. Over the years, I've tried to grow (they grew) several NDs in different locations around this property. Always, "brutal" was the watchword, as campanula so aptly put it, when pruning my NDs. It was more like a cane massacre and I'm not so sure who won. My last remaining ND grew on a large metal arbor. So, wearing my goatskin, elbow length gauntlets, I would mount a step ladder for the attack. After seven years of this, I'd had it. The final straw came when ND, in victory, broke my sturdy metal arbor, which had the design flaw of being made in two welded parts. ND broke the welds. So last year, she came down, and I have been a free person since. Several years ago, I gave two NDs to a very experienced gardening friend with unlimited space and a long fence where the NDs were to grow, After a few years, she removed them because of the constant pruning hassle. One final note. When your NDs grow thicker, you will have a heck of a time turning your hose off and on. In the past, I've used a second faucet set up, where a short length of hose was attached to the first faucet. This short piece of hose ended in a second faucet out of harm's way, and could either be mounted on a metal post or simply lie on the ground. It worked very well in more than one spot, and you won't have to come near the ND. Diane |
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- Posted by SimplyLoveGardening none (My Page) on Mon, Mar 18, 13 at 18:55
| Can't wait to see that in bloom. Any pics from last year? |
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| Nanadoll I hear you! I selected ND before I started hanging out in the GW rose forums and knew any better, which is why I have a pair of a thornless, polite and self deadheading climbers coming as bands this spring. If I give it a couple more years and decide I don't want to deal with the NDs anymore I've got an option in the pipeline! The DH suggested the hole extender as well... By request, last year's flush on a very immature plant: |
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| Beautiful! subk3, if only ND would stay this height or a couple of feet higher. I think you know what you're doing. I was extremely stupid in my acquiring multiple NDs. I wish I had been on this forum eight years ago. What a lot of work and blood it would have saved me. Diane |
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| That last picture is so very pretty and this year I know they will be outstanding. Last fall I had to take out my new dawn. I could not handle the pruning any longer. I know I will miss this spring bloom, but it had to go. You have a good handle on yours, and it will be spectacular soon. Please post a picture....can`t wait to see it. Lesley |
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