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Just goes to show - purple Intrigue and misc.

Posted by stone_garden Northen MD (My Page) on
Mon, Mar 12, 12 at 15:46

So two years ago I was seduced by the lush descriptions of Intrigue - big ruffle blooms! Intoxicating raspberry scent! It limps along for a while, finally I get fed up and dump into a 12-inch pot by the front door - if not for the occasional flower I would have tossed out. Wouldn't you know the one spindly cane cane takes off last year, puts out clusters of ruffly fruity smelling blooms that stop sidewalk traffic? I need to pot it up a size, but for sure I won't be moving it from the baking hot spot by the door step.

For northern Maryland, looks like this week summer just showed up, so I'm trying out a red Freedom rose from Home Depot (yep, the cheap ones) which seems to be a florist rose, not the yellow Freedom rose bred in England. And will be ripping out two pink double Knockouts which will go to my neighbor, to make room for two Medallion and a Sunset Celebration from Palatine - first order. I know Medallion blows fast but I just love the color and flower size. And I'll try more of this stuff I got from Home Shopping network that is supposed to work miracles - think is is just some sort of foliage feed, but it can't hurt. Here my modest collection of bushes is leafing out like crazy already from the record warmth, and they all need FOOD.
Happy gardening and I solemnly promise (again) to try to be better about spraying.......


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RE: Just goes to show - purple Intrigue and misc.

Glad you had a success story. I am afraid all of mine have been just the opposite. For the last couple of years instead of shovel pruning, I kept a slowly declining Fair Bianca, hoping it would finally come back to its former glory. It croaked.

Over the last 25 years the same story could be applied to Chicago Peace, Chrysler Imperial, Fragrant Memory, Patsy Cline, Angel Face, White Dawn, Nuits de Young, Marchesa Boccella, Le Reine, Miriam Wilkins. May they rest in peace. At least I kept trying to rejuvenate them until they were stone cold dead.

And I am still doing it with Paradise, Maggie, Magenta, Colette, and Blue Ribbon. I have moved them out of the rose bed up to the veggie garden to give them extra special care. I am not too hopeful.

Is that stuff you got from HSN called Spray N Grow? If it is, I have been using it for over 20 years. It does seem to work. I even tried an experiment with my veggies. I sprayed half my garden with that and none on the other half. The sprayed half did much better. I use it on all my flowers and veggies.

Happy Gardening to you too! And never give up on your roses until they are dead wood.
Clare


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Hi aptosca - too true about the mystery of roses that decline - especially for seemingly no reason. There probably IS a reason but it is frustrating - let's see, I had a Mr. Lincoln decline cane by cane, until it just died. Same for Arizona. I am struggling to save a grandiflora New Year that is in a prime spot and is down to a candelabra, which I am viewing with suspicion as I am not sure this isn't a sucker. I've seen gorgeous pictures of Englantyne on this forum and mine throws a few puny blooms and laughs at me. In the same area two rescued Abraham Darby are throwing new canes like no tomorrow. And of course an old Queen Elizabeth that by rights should be dead (came with the townhouse and is in the most hideous soil that is essentially backfill) is throwing a new cane and shooting 12 feet into the air.

Yes, I decided to try HSN's "Spray and Grow" - I only got it last year but figured I would try it on the roses. It's nice to hear it does some good. I especially want to try it on the "weaklings" along with fussing some more with my soil to see if I can discover the "magic bullet". Maybe I will try it on a 3-year old orange tree (from QVC!) that stubbornly refuses to flower although it grows happily enough.


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"Happy gardening and I solemnly promise (again) to try to be better about spraying......."

If only I had a nickel for every time that I used to say that - honestly, knowing myself well enough, why did I ever think I would? I am truly a Polly Ana! ;-) (Bear in mind, I'm on the west coast and in mildew central, not to mention the rust belt.)

Then I found this forum and started reading people's adventures with roses that did not need spraying *in their climate*. I was floored with that whole concept. After reading enough to get all the names straight, I dared to go over to the Antique forum regularly and just read the posts about roses that didn't have names four words long ;-) Also, I found out roses don't have to be tall sticks with flowers on top - they could be bushes with flowers all over them - really?!? Finally, I got hooked on found roses and their stories and just started there. Fortunately, Grandmother's Hat grows well here and I started with that one (sadly it will probably black spot for you, not sure). Off I went on OGRs like teas, noisettes and hybrid perpetuals.

My garden has taken a detour since then - I live close enough to EuroDesert roses to have been able to acquire many of Cliff's mother plants so my garden is not as 'old garden' as I thought, but I have a much better variety of types of roses that will do well for me and my (ahem) 'personal limitations' ;-) I've had a (few) Intrigue and love the colors, but lost my last, last fall. Now I have a dozen others in my 'blue plot' that will make me forget it this summer, I'm sure. When climate serves me mildew, now I make lemonade, to mix my metaphore.

You will find your own way, I just thought I'd introduce you to the idea that it's not your fault that your roses have fungus because you don't spray, it's because you haven't found the roses that you don't need to spray for your location and surely that must include ones with names that don't end in 'Knock Out'. Just for fun, you might start a thread to that effect.


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  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Thu, Mar 15, 12 at 0:37

I hope my Intrigue decides it like it out by the road. I had the same experience with mine. Bought it and it looked good for the first season and pffft, nothing. One cane and maybe one flower a season for 3 years. I was going to yank it but had the space in the new bed so it's out there now. If it doesn't get better it's outta here!

I've used Spary N Grow for years and really like it. I use the total package with the cocoa wet and Bill's Perfect fertilizer (fish emulsion) and I do think the roses like it!


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I would love not to spray, and I am lackadaisical about it - being an environmentalist I refuse to use products in the soil, and lean more towards the "natural" sprays being released now. The great thing about OGRs to me is their hardiness and smell - the bad for me is the size many of them get and the only-blooms-once-a-season issue. For sure if I had more room I'd plant plenty of them, all those tantalizing pictures. For now I limp through learning some roses love N. Maryland, but some like Just Joey which evidently grows well in California just sulked and died.

I must say I am happy I have never seen rust, it sounds awful. Got plenty of BS, mildew in the fall, and Japanese beetles to contend with. (Often when I am repotting a potted rose I find a bunch of happy beetle grubs - disgusting - which get squished immediately) Thanks to the record warmth here I have already had to spray off a clump of aphids - personally I fear it may be a baking summer in the Mid-Atlantic - oh, well, at least my small collection of orchid cacti will enjoy it.


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