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Resistance (to spring) is futile...time to start pruning?

Posted by stlgal 6b (My Page) on
Fri, Mar 9, 12 at 18:31

Weather forecast says it will be in the upper 70s next week, while our general range has been 40s-60s. Everything in the yard is taking off, from the roses (fully leafed out in some places), to the crabapples and maples. The magnolias are flowering already too.

The forsythia is getting going, and I expect will be in full swing within the next week or two (and that is on the north side of the house!)

We are at heading towards mid-March-ish now, so I'm wondering whether I might begin pruning things lightly over the next several weeks. I doubt I'll be able to see the canes and overall shape of the plant through a thick covering of leaves if I wait until end of month. I certainly wouldn't be waking anything out of dormancy and don't think it is possible to encourage growth to a greater extent than the weather's already doing.

Was just thinking it would be very handy to have a lot of the pruning done before all of my new bare-roots start to arrive for planting in early April.

So...would I really be jumping the gun if I start now in zone 6b?


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RE: Resistance (to spring) is futile...time to start pruning?

  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 9, 12 at 19:56

Oh, gosh, I don't know what to do either. I'm struggling with the same issues here. My roses are really starting to leaf out a lot. But I don't usually uncover them until the first of April and then prune the rest of the month. At any rate I can't do anything until the week after next because I'm going to be very busy with the ARS, Great Lakes District Spring Conference on the 17th that my society is hosting this year. But, if the weather is still holding this nice after that and the roses are still really growing fast I will have to just jump in and do it a good 2 weeks early. I'm just so afraid that Mother Nature is toying with us and the minute I uncover the roses She'll blast us with a horrible ice storm!


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I'm glad it's not just me. This is such a weird year that I keep trying to think back to what I usually do and how it fits with the calendar date. I've always just let the forsythias guide me--based on that, I think pruning usually happens here in late March. I can remember times when April seemed too summery for bare-root planting and I put bags over the newly planted roses for the first couple of weeks to prevent dehydration. And certainly 77 degree temps in March suggest summer...yet, like you, I have this sense ma Nature's watching and waiting to see when we take to the pruners so she can throw a curve. Maybe I will slowly nibble at the larger bushes over the next few weeks, hedge my bets...Sounds like you will be in good shape to get going once your schedule frees up and I imagine it will be safe by then.


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guys, prune them when you want. These 'rules' are not immutable dogma - if the spirit takes you, then act on it. I prune mine when I have secateurs to hand and when I feel like it. What is the worst that can happen - a bit of premature growth which may or may not get a bit frosted but so what - the rose isn't going to die, plenty more growth buds on every stem, even coming from the same eyes, just a coupla weeks late. Sure, it is impossible to prune a rose to death in the UK (and I have tried) but honestly, if the sap is running high for you as well as the plants, we are all children of nature and she is telling us to get our boots on and get out and about too. Who cares what the forsythia is doing (a horrid plant imo anyway).


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  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 10, 12 at 10:42

Oh but they can die, Campanula. I lost a lot of roses in April of 2007 when I uncovered them the first of the month and started pruning and then we were hit with an awful freeze over the Easter weekend in late April. I saved all the potted roses by emptying out the shed and putting them in there but even with sheets over them I lost 37 in the ground that spring.


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I used to prune the first week of April, but with the climate warming so much, mid-March is now appropriate, or early March this year. I am almost finished pruning.

I bury grafts instead of winter-protecting nowadays, so there is no uncovering to be done.

I think a key element in timing would be, if you have to prune any rose very severely, don't do it so early that new basal growth provoked by the pruning could be killed back. I think it would take about three weeks for new basal growth to break through the mulch.

Prune your hardier roses first. I had to cut one rose all the way back to find healthy wood. On reflection, it might have been a good idea to wait a week or two on that one.


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  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 10, 12 at 11:19

Thanks, Michael, that makes good sense!


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RE: Resistance (to spring) is futile...time to start pruning?

Thanks for the advice everyone. Michael, I think you are right in that climate warming plus the very mild winter might make this the right time. Even if I go by the forsythia that would be the case. Our zones should be very similar. I just can't imagine waiting too much longer as I'm used to at least being able to see the structure of the canes without all of the leaves getting in the way.

I don't plan to give anyone a severe pruning and will probably do some summer pruning when dead-heading to keep the monsters like Teasing Georgia in check (provided we don't get a hard freeze that takes out some of this). And it doesn't appear that there is much dead wood out there. Perhaps a few ends that the cane borers got when I didn't seal them properly. I no longer grow standards (I got tired of hauling them into the garage and getting prickles going from house to car) so there isn't anything to cover/uncover or move here. Just eventually to tidy up leaves or mulch around them for the coming season.

Lovely day to be out today, so I think I'm going for it! Going to get at least some of the job done...


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37 roses, yikes! That would be almost half of my collection. OK, don't mean to give terrible advice although I have never even come near to actually losing a rose after pruning. I guess, like most stuff in gardening, it is hedged about with caveats. The roses are never covered or protected in any way, not even the first year cuttings, so our winters are generally kind, although we got down to -15C this year. I do not have any tender types, no HTs, nothing tricky like teas. I don't even do it every year. And some of the years when I have, I have hacked the poor things to stubs but New Dawn and Mme Gregoire are absolutely unkillable. New Dawn especially has been brutalised 3 times but refuses to lie down and die. I guess this has givem me an unfeasibly optimistically opinion of rosecare. Pinch of salt, then.


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Ditto unkillable on New Dawn. I have sprayed RRD infected ones with Roundup, cut what remained down to and below the ground (in the hopes that they'd just die and it would be easier to get the stump out). No such luck.

I've never lost a rose, but mine have taken a beating some years, like the one Seil mentions. I don't do any winter protection and the grafts are somewhat random depths at this point as beds have subsided a bit, been mulched in, etc. The Austins are all supposed to be hardy to zone 5, so I guess with this now being 6b (with climate change) I may lose growth to late freezes but it rarely does in the plant.

I went for it on the south side plants that were going-going-gone today. Good thing too--Teasing Georgia was heading for the rafters and, with the leaves covering the plant again, looked about to hatch a plot to smother the others. I'm going to wait another week or two on the East side ones, which aren't as far along.


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