Having successfully grown it from a cut flower seven months ago...

Then it is most likely a florist rose, rather than a garden rose. They are bred especially for the cut flower industry, and you'd be better off looking at what hybridizers are currently offering to the cut flower industry to find out what it is.

Some current popular red florist roses include:
Amadeus - Brilliant velvet red, medium head size, med/long stem length

Black Baccara - Very dark shiraz, medium head size, medium/long stem length (yours doesn't look like Black Bacarra)

First Red - Dark red, large head size, medium to long stem length

Grand Gala - Mid to dark red, large head size, long stem length

Magnum - Dark velvet red, large head, short to long stem length

Rouge Baiser, Kardinal, Charlene, Cherry Love, Freedom, Sexy Red are some other red florist roses currently being grown world wide.

hoovb,

Thanks for the suggestions. Will check them out for possible matches. If this rose is not 'Black Baccara', could it be 'Black Beauty' or 'Black Magic' or some other 'black' (dark red) rose?

Thanks again.

tropical

If you are not familiar with helpmefind, you can look at the pictures there and compare with your own. To me your pictures just don't look that dark of a red. Of course, color is not always accurate--red is particularly hard for accuracy.

Here is a link that might be useful: help me find black beauty rose, for example

While a few florist roses do cross over and make it as garden roses, most do not. Your best bet is to check with florists as hoovb said.

One further complication is that the same rose variety grown by a florist and by a home gardener can look quite different due to the different sun exposure. Unless you are sure the ones from your garden look exactly like the ones you got from the florist, taking a current bloom to them may not help a great deal.

If you know which florist supplied the original rose, and about when, going back to them to ask will probably give you the best chance of success in learning the identity.

Thanks again hoovb and Phil. I guess the true identity of this lovely rose will escape me.

Unlike in temperate climates, most florist roses sold here are actually field grown. They are planted by local farmers (family-owned farms) in wide and open areas, under significant elevations (mountainous areas) as the microclimate in elevated areas is cooler (still tropical though).

The owners of these small family-owned farms really don't know and don't care about the exact rose names. They choose rose plants which grow well own-root, which survive the local climate and soil, and which yield the highest number of cut flowers. They don't grow on greenhouses so they choose well for the lowest cost. These type of roses are usually sold here at wet markets, in parks and even along frequented church sidewalks by small sidewalk vendors.

Some florist roses are from large commercial greenhouse companies and are easily identified by their very large bud size, very large leaf size and very long, thick stems. These larger roses are generically called 'Holland' Roses here as contrasted to the 'American' Roses from the local farmers which are much smaller.

These so-called 'Holland'/Greenhouse roses are expensive (5 to 10 times more expensive) and so are only sold at specialty flower shops at upscale malls. Even then, upscale flower shops don't know the exact name of the roses other than the generic 'color + Holland rose' pseudo-name. Exact names are only available if you are privy to the company who grows them or know someone who works there and have access to the exact rose names.

How I wish the pictures at helpmefind can help but there is just way too much inconsistency from one photo to the other. Color for one, usually varies a lot due to camera limitations and settings as well as due to the fact that those who post them tend to overprocess their images resulting to exaggerated colors and sheen (probably for that website 'appeal'). This doesn't include the fact that colors can vary under extreme lighting conditions (too dark or too bright an environment when capturing the photo).

Add to this the fact that computer monitors need to be calibrated and most of those who do post photos and postprocess them don't bother to do so as the site isn't a photography website.

tropical

When the flower is fully open, does it look like the one in my picture?

Freedom

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Hi Mark,

It does flatten up a bit like your picture of 'Freedom' rose when it fully opens but not as flat as your rose. Also, my unknown rose has fewer petals than your Freedom rose, about 30 only, and the center opens up a bit more showing the stamens when the flower ages. The dark red color tends to last 3-4 days before it starts to fade to normal medium/regular red (still no hint of orange or purple even when aged.)

Having read descriptions of many dark red roses, their number of petals, form and color longevity, I think my rose seems to match 'Black magic' rose more than any other dark red rose like Black Beauty, Black Baccara or others. I'm just not 100% sure.

Maybe owners of black magic roses here can share bud and flower development photos from bud to fully open to aged flowers. Descriptions would help confirm if this rose is indeed the 'Black magic' rose or something else.

I've been doing internet research for more than a month now but alas, descriptions and flower development photos have been scant to find.

By the way, there is one other characteristic of my rose that is visible in the photo. It tends to have remarkably 'enlarged' sepals which look like small leaves. My other roses don't have this characteristic. Maybe this unusual feature can help others suggest possible dark red rose candidates.

By the way, thanks Mark for the photo. Your Freedom rose certainly is beautiful and is nice to have.

tropical

Your description sounds like my Black Magic. The pictures look accurate except on my computer the roses look a lot lighter in color than mine.
Mine always are dark red with thick, velvety petals.
I carried these in my bridal bouquet, and had a bit of trouble finding a bush to plant years ago, but now I see them at lots of online sites.
Mine is on fortuniana rootstock, and doesn't want to grow any basal canes, so I am buying a new one this year.
Kim

Hi Kim,

Thanks for the comments. My rose is really deep/dark red in color and it has thick, velvety petals which my camera can't capture well. (My camera struggles with deep, saturated reds.) I'm now more convinced my rose is 'Black Magic'. I hope other owners of 'Black Magic' roses here can post bud/flower development photos - from slightly open to fully open to aging flowers. This should confirm the identity of this rose as 'Black Magic'.

tropical

i have the same rose.i can not find out what kind it is.

Here are some pics of Black Magic for comparison. Hope this helps. Jeff

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Could also be Black Cherry. Does your rose have fragrance? Black Cherry doesn't.

Wow!! Black Magic looks fantastic!!

Carol

tropical_philippines, just curious, are you in Manila or outside? That looks like the roses I had at my wedding -- all I know is that my MIL bought them in the market.
Ang galing naman naitanim mo galing sa bulaklak.

OMG!!! Aurora, that Black Magic looks unbelievable. I just added Black Magic to my must-have list for next year. The blooms are out of this world, and the bush is ultra gorgeous.

How could I have missed this one???!!!!