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Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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Posted by
joycev 10a FL (
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Sun, Mar 3, 13 at 21:56
| Just wondering. I just planted 2 double delights, one perfume delight and a don juan in my front garden. This is my first southwest Florida rose experience. I had about 30 roses in my coastal NJ garden before relocating. I have another garden bed with an eastern exposure, morning sun in Naples, FL. There's an alexander palm, quite sturdy, that might be a fabulous anchor for a rose. Has anyone done this? |
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RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| The main problem I suspect you'll encounter is the root system of the palm. Most have extensive, very fibrous roots which suck everything available from the soil. I don't know if you'll be able to get the rose planted close enough to the palm to use it for support. Even if you do, I don't know if the rose is going to be happy competing with those gawd-awful roots. Kim |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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- Posted by catspa NoCA Z9 Sunset 14 (My Page) on
Sun, Mar 3, 13 at 23:06
| Palms have some of the highest transpiration rates recorded in the plant kingdom. So, as Kim says, it could be a real fight for water. ~ Debbie |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| I saw some fantastic orchids growing on the side of a palm in front of Norman's Orchids in CA. They got hit with the automatic sprinkler 3 times a week. Maybe if your rose was in a big pot then you could tie it to the palm tree. |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| I tried this next to a cabbage (sable) palm. I planted it outside the root zone of the palm in heavily amended soil. The rose just didn't thrive. I don't know if the palm was hogging all the water or what the problem was. Perhaps if you planted a house eater a good distance from the palm and trained it over to the palm and up it might work. IIRC, Ithe reason I tried this was because I saw a picture of a rosé growing up a palm, but now I don't remember where I saw it. |
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| No, but if you succeed, I want pictures! |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| Don't fancy that - sounds all wrong, stylistically, aesthetically, horticulturally.......... |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| Agree....tropical? With a rose? |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| But how fantastic would big baskets of roses cascading down from just under the palm fronds look. You would need an irrigation pipe going up to them around here. A weeping white rose would be wonderful for that. I saw a big trunked ivy standard at a rare plant show once. The guy said to let the ivy grow all over the palm and get big, then dig it up and pot it as a standard. The ivy did fine on the palm but there wasn't enough fine roots when I dug it up and I lost it. I want to try again one of these days but I don't have a palm anymore. |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| Obviously, you folks have never been to Florida. If you didn't have roses with palm trees here, you wouldn't have roses. Someone commented on another thread about palms not looking right with magnolias either. Well, guess what--they both are natives growing in the woods here, and to a Floridian, they look wonderful and natural together. Palm trees pop all over my property, and it's a constant battle to keep them from taking over. If I could sell them, I'd be rich. I would be hardpressed to take pictures of roses on my property and not have a palm tree in it--except for close ups of course. |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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- Posted by campv Arizona (My Page) on
Mon, Mar 4, 13 at 17:47
| I tried growing roses at the base of a large mexican fan palm in So. California. Never worked they were always stunted didn't bloom well and needed mo water mo water. Sorry |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| Lived in the Coral Gables, never had a rose do well within 10 feet of any indigenous palm. |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| Well, I planted my new roses near a palm, so I may be in trouble. OTOH, my hose is really close and I have one of those new dopey light hoses that are really easy to lug around (along with an irrigation system). I'm willing to be a rose slave for a while to see what happens. I can always transplant if need be. It IS kinda funny to read people's interpretations of appropriate landscaping. Honestly if I had my druthers I'd love to have proper English landscaping, but that won't work because we don't really have perennials, just shrubs, trees, and some bulbs. I am miffed at the lack of variety here. I have some fabulous plumeria courtesy of a wonderful plumeria expert friend, but my heart is really with roses and I hate the conventional wisdom that roses don't do well here. I've been having luck with orchids the past five years to help me cope with my rose envy. I can see I might be in for a roller coaster ride until I figure this out. |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| I think it might depend on the type of palm |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| You never know until you try, so good for you. Let us know what happens; I'd love to see pictures. I want one of those new hoses, too! I read about them on Garden Rant. |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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Ah well, Florida, this is the heart of the matter - where you are situated and what plants are natural in your landscape. Here in the UK, a palm with a rose would be, quite honestly, something of an abomination. I tend not to follow many design 'rules' but following the vernacular architecture and keeping to the normal planting zones is a creed I rarely deviate far from.
Personally, I generally find attempts at formal grandeur or (worse) a cottage garden in a modern urban plot to be both pretentious and even faintly ridiculous (although I vastly prefer ridiculous to pretentious).
Although gardens are total artifice, I like to at least nod towards a natural combination - woodlanders growing with other woodlanders and not scorching alongside bedding geraniums or south african daisies. |
RE: Has anyone grown a climber on a palm tree
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| Campanula, you articulated my frustration with the local design meme. Naples is a beautiful place, but my favorite garden landscapes are found in the older 50s and very small post victorian neighborhoods here. You will see some fantastic specimen plants (particularly plumeria) in these places. The more prosperous and popular areas tend to be more uniform because they are professionally landscaped for part-time residents. I am even guilty of this because the climate is so hot, and landscapers are not too expensive. So, in planting roses, I'm rebelling a bit. There is a fantastic gardening history around the Thomas Edison and Henry Ford estates a bit north in Fort Myers. They planted with local materials, but with structure. I may need to visit again for some inspiration. |
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