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| HI! First time rose grower; I've been stalking the forum for many days now, making lists, looking up old threads, and having a blast! My husband and I are rehabbing an old house and it's poor yard that has been neglected for many years; we've manged to clear and fence a large portion of our three acres so far and now it's time to beautify. I have two sections of 24 ft. each fence line I'd like to add some climbing roses to; app. 4.5 ft tall, running east west. Full sun in the morning through afternoon; gets shady in the evening as the sun sets behind the house Fence sits on top of a hill, so well drained soil. We're jewelers in our day jobs; my husband has asked me to find a padparascha colored rose or mix of roses, haha! Here's my short list: Color, disease resistance, and repeat blooms are top criteria. I thought I would start with 2-3 and test out this location and my own skills for a year or two before commiting the whole fence line. Thoughts, suggestions? THANK YOU! |
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| What you have listed are not all climbers. Try HMF and look them up. You will soon be addicted. |
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| The Climbing version of 'Peace' is known for being a poor bloomer. Generally the Climbing version of a classic Hybrid Tea (not always but generally) such as 'Peace' is usually not so great. Keep in mind that climbers take several years to bloom well. Fist they build up a large structure of canes (stems). The first year you may only get a few flowers, so you need to be patient. Look at 'Fourth of July', its a nice bright one and blooms quite well. That an a 'Josephs Coat' could give you some color. |
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| Cl. Peace and Cl. Tiffany, whether you can find good rebloomers or not, are extremely stiff and large growers. They're going to be difficult to keep contained to the height you mention and just as difficult to actually try to "train". Large flowered climbers, climbing floribundas, ramblers, hybrid musks, climbing teas are all types which should do well for your fence and be hardy enough for your climate. Hopefully you don't have to deal with deer or gophers. If you do, plan your precautions NOW before you plant a bunch of plants you have to back peddle to protect. Go nudge your husband and ask him if the rose linked below is padparascha-like enough for him! Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: Royal Sunset
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| Mercy, that Royal Sunset is gorgeous. Beautiful photo. AviaStar, I've got about 20 climbers, and have learned the hard way about managing them. Both Kim and Hoovb have probably forgotten more than I'll ever know about them, but for what it's worth you may consider how malleable their canes are (to train on that fence) and how well they rebloom after the Spring flush. For those two attributes alone, I'd second Fourth of July, as well as Dortmund and Purple Splash. The only one on your list I have is Abe - which does not fall into the climber category for my zone (nor is it - for me - a tremendous bloomer). And, as an Austin, it is (for me) an absolute water hog. You'll have a great time figuring it all out watching that fence line become gorgeous! |
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| Thank you so much for your replies! Susan: I think I am already becoming addicted! At least it's a productive habit, right? Can you be a little more specific on the non-climbing varieties? I found all these listed as climbers either at Heirloom, RVR, or Roses Unlimited- are there some that won't climb in my zone? hoovb: Thank you! Excellent to know about Peace; it's so pretty, but the goal is to hide the fence! Before I got into the research, I figured I would need almost 20 plants to cover 48 ft and they would start out tiny and take years and years to fill in. So to find out how large some of these plants get was a shock! ANY blooms in the first year will be a triumph for me, I can't wait to watch them get started! Am I correct that I read no pruning for climbers for 3 years? Just training as they grow and then pruning? I pinned a tutorial on training and pruning from Hartwood Roses- it was really helpful! roseseek: Perfect, that's exactly what I was hoping to learn to thin out my list. I DO have wildlife, abundantly- deer, groundhogs, rabbits, bears, coyotes, occasionally even a mountain lion. We live just off the Appalachian Trail in the top corner of VA. The fence and the dogs who have the run of it seem to keep most of them at bay; we haven't had any deer issues since the fence went up almost 18 months ago. Although when we were out of town for several weeks (no dogs in the yard!) I came home to find my little apple tree stripped bare! oh, and that Royal Sunset is GORGEOUS! Added to the list... ptboise: Thank you! Rebloom is one reason I haven't added Alchymist to my list (is that right, it's a once bloomer, if prolific in the spring flush?), although I could be talked into it. So that is great to know about Abe; I might try to expand with some of these in future years, too...heaven knows I have plenty of fence! |
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| Hi Aviastar! You've gotten great advice here. I'll just add that hoov is totally correct about Cl. Peace. Had it for 6 years, it grew 8 feet tall and in all that time it gave me precisely ONE flower. It's gone now, thank goodness! Take that link that Kim posted to Help Me Find and go exploring. That is the best rose date base on line. You can do an advance search for climbers that will be hardy for you and in what ever colors you want. |
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| I have grown the following in a PNW garden. Josephs Coat.....looks beauty but is really not a climber just a tall bush. The flowers tend to shatter quickly and is prone in my area to lots of BS early in the summer. Eden.....fussy climber, when growing well a thing of beauty, but many times gets in a snit just makes a bush. Peace.....huge vigour only interested in making new growth but at the expense of flowering. Tiffany.....one of my favourites, very fragrant grows like a very tall bush Abraham Darby.....can't beat the fragrance or the beauty Handel.....not happy in PNW, grew very well but BS bad Night Light.....if you are into LARGE nasty thorns, this is the rose for you. The thorns were the meanest in my whole garden. Grew well but colour did fade in hot sun. |
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- Posted by john12_19_74 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 2, 13 at 20:02
| I like your husband's suggestion to look for a padparadscha colored rose - that is one of my favorite colors in roses. You might check out Ginger Syllabub. I've grown it for several years and been very happy with it as a climber. I couldn't speak to its disease resistance in your area, but I don't spray in my garden, and it's had much less blackspot than Abe Darby or Peace. I'd rate its health about the same as Eden. Speaking of Eden, it has also grown well for me. I hear some people have trouble getting it to rebloom, but that was never an issue with my plant. I just wish it had a scent to go along with those perfect blooms. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Ginger Syllabub in my garden
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| Whew! I've spent much of the day browsing through Help Me Find...good stuff! seil: Thank you for your comments! ONE flower? Sheesh... Lynette: Hi! Thank you for commenting! The thorn comment was enough to put me off Night Light, that and HMF says it's only an occasional rebloomer even though Heirloom says it's continuous, but DH would really like to try this one. You'd think he wouldn't be so invested in something I will be responsible for taking care of, but for under $20 it makes him happy and I can always move her to a spot she can just take over if she doesn't work out for the front of the house. I have narrowed it down to five, and I think I will just order them all instead of trying to cut out 2 more. I know I won't bat a thousand this first year so I figure I will try a few a see what works best for my zone/yard/skill level! I'm getting: I wanted to say thank you for all the lovely suggestions, too. I looked every single one up; some are colors I want elsewhere in the yard, but they were all lovely. If anyone has any tips or advice for keeping these guys alive and well please feel free to lay 'em on me! I don't think anyone starts shipping to 7 until next month, so now I just need to get my beds in order. We've still got snowflakes one day and spring the next...make up your mind Virginia, haha! |
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| Hi john, we must have cross posted! Thank you for your comments! I noticed Ginger when I was searching around- thank you so much for actual pictures, it's beautiful! I hadn't really looked into it, but I've added her to my list and will go check her out; I haven't ordered yet so I am still open to persuasion! And yes, pads are a favorite gem around here; next he'll have me looking for tanzanite colored flowers! |
This post was edited by AviaStar on Sat, Mar 2, 13 at 22:28
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| Crepuscule is one you should consider. It is one of my favorites - just planted 2 yesterday. It is an apricot color, few thorns and can make a gorgeous cascading bush against a fence. Blooms almost all the time for me. My two young ones I just planted both have buds. If I had to name a favorite rose, I think this one would be it. Its a showpiece in full bloom! |
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| Look at this photo of Crepuscule from the San Jose Heritage Garden. I think it will "hook" you! Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: Crepuscule at The Heritage
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| alameda: Thank you for the suggestion, looking into it! Kim: oh my...look at all those blooms! Thank you both! |
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- Posted by wirosarian z4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Mar 3, 13 at 19:34
| Here's a link to a you tube video by Paul Zimmerman on training your climber that you might find useful. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Paul Zimmerman video
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| wirosarian: Thank you, that is really helpful! I did spend some time checking out his other videos, as well, and his website- really great info available over there. Not just about climbers, either- I feel much more confident with how to plant the own roots I'll be getting not, too! |
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| Thank you, intris! Checking out America... |
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| Royal Sunset is GORGEOUS...and so is Talisman, and neither of them seem to be very common. Have you seen "Alchymist"...? |
Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.205721
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| Hi Z! I did have Alchymist on my short list, but it's once blooming habit held it back for me this time. My property has been a yard for about 200 years, but has been terribly neglected for about 30 before we bought it. So I am starting slowly, trying to figure out the sun patterns, which trees may need to go, clearing out small spaces, etc. There are remnants of what I think were terraces throughout the yard and a few old outbuildings, so I hope to restore some of that as we go, too. I do hope to find a spot for Alchymist- she looks enchanting- but I'm just not sure where it's going to be yet! |
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| What an exciting project!!!!! |
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| David Austin's Golden Celebration has long flexible canes and could probably be trained against a fence. The late John Clements of Heirloom Roses was breeding roses in the English style. You might like to research a climber called Portlandia. Talisman is a rather low growing HT, at least it didn't get very tall for me, I suppose you are considering the climbing sport? |
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| Z: Between restoring the house and the yard, we will have a lot of blood, sweat, and tears in this place, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Every year there are accomplishments to be happy about and I love seeing it all come together! nastarana: Thank you! Um, yeeees? I'm still learning all the terminology, but yes, I think the Talisman is a climbing sport. I've found myself simply drawn to the two-toned, sunset-y colors and this one won't get out of my head. So I bought her! That Portlandia is beautiful, what colors! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Talisman climber at RVR
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| Avia, I'm sorry to be a downer here when you're so very excited about collecting climbing roses. Unfortunately your location is in RRD country. Please read up on Rose Rosette Disease and learn to recognize the symptoms. Then travel the country roads that are downwind from your farm to look for infected multiflora. I wish you the best of luck. I'm in Prince William County and my own little rose collection has been reduced to a dozen small-ish bushes located in the wind shadow of my house. |
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| One of the ladies at my local rose society lives out in the country. She struggles a great deal with rose rosette; however, she reports that she is having great success with salvaging infected roses due to new technology. Apparently, there are some test beds and experimentation with treating rose rosette. It is no longer a death sentence, but you must detect it quickly. |
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| Hi Cecily, thank you for the head's up! I'm over in Loudoun, so we're neighbors! We have a decidedly straight western prevailing wind at our home; straight across about 90 acres of farmland without a rose, wild or otherwise, in sight. Beyond that is a horse farm and then vineyards, vineyards, vineyards. I do have one little grocery store mini rose growing happily in the yard and a vigorous climber (15 years old?) in my neighbors yard (downwind) that seem to be fine. I found this document from the VaTech extension office that recommends a 100 meter 'safe zone', which I think I have, although that is certainly always subject to change without me knowing. Do you think that's a safe enough bet to try them in my yard? Should I add the mite spray? I was hoping to go no spray, but... |
Here is a link that might be useful: Virginia Tech Extension Office, RRD
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| Loudoun county is a gorgeous area, I'm so jealous!!! VA Tech has done extensive RRD research, I think you can trust their experience. I personally wouldn't spray unless symptoms appeared (caveat: my garden is no spray). In a couple of weeks when the hedgerows start to green up, you should go Sunday driving and check for RRD -- the symptoms are noticable. Sure, plant a few climbers but don't go hogwild until you get a feel for your area. Good luck! |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Thu, Mar 7, 13 at 14:37
| Blackspot pressure is very high in that part of the world. It is usually considered worse than here, and I wouldn't consider growing any of those roses no-spray. |
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| Thanks, intris, that's encouraging! Excellent idea, cecily! Always looking for an excuse to break out the old Triumph as soon as it gets warm, anyway! Thank you, mad_gallica, I'm not opposed to spraying, philosophically, I'm just still trying to gauge my natural levels of attention giving, if that makes sense at all. Obviously, the least amount of maintenance has the highest probability of getting done, haha! I'll look into spraying around the boards so I can be prepared should I need to. I have a vision of this fence line in my head and I'm pretty dedicated to making it work, so if spraying is necessary, then it shall be done! |
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| I posted this in the the Vintage thread over in Antique Roses, too, but I figure I should post it here to for some more exposure. I am contemplating adding a rose or two from Vintage, but the shipping from them really works out better in groups of four. I can't really afford four more roses, nor do I have a great amount of space prepped yet. But if there is anyone in the NoVa or WV/MD/VA area who would like to go in on an order and split the shipping, I would be happy to coordinate it! My email is on my page! |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Sun, Mar 10, 13 at 9:32
| Didn't you say your fence is 4 1/2 feet tall and that you have deer? You may have a problem with them eating your roses. |
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| Hi mendicino! Thank you for your reply. I do have deer, but this particular stretch of fence line is immediately in front of the house, near the driveway. The deer seem to a) avoid the house, b)avoid the cars in the driveway, and c) avoid the dogs inside the fence! I think it's the dogs that are the most effective; even though they aren't outside all the time, they have marked up the property pretty well (HA!) I have hostas and fruit trees inside the fence line that are untouched; now my raspberries and blackberries outside the fence line? Fair game! So we'll see. It's all an experiment in this garden and I'm trying to be zen about the inevitable future plant losses, not just roses, but all the plants I plan on experimenting with in the next few years. I did discover that the vineyard up the road has a beautiful rose garden; luckily we're good friends with the owners so I am going to head up there and start asking questions, too. |
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| Hi Aviastar, You might check out the fabulous photos of a forum member whose user name is thedarklady. She posts in the Rose Gallery Forum. Marina has over 2000 roses and lives in Amelia County, Virginia. I have no idea how far that is from you. She has just unbelievable roses, including many unusual European varieties. I am liking my Colette climber very much. Check it out on HMF. Diane |
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| Thank you, Diane! I didn't know you go go look at individual galleries at HMF, but I am excited now, because the_dark_lady's photos don't showup for me over in the rose gallery and now I can check them out! |
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