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Tue, Apr 24, 12 at 8:50
| Last year I planted 5 Lady Elsie May shrub roses, without success. I was in the process of doing an entire yard and had great luck with everything else; evegreen shrubs and vines, several dozen perennials, fruit trees, herb and vegetable gardens, ground covers and creepers; you name it and I planted it! In the process I investigated shade tolerant roses, and settled upon Lady Elsie May because I wanted a shrub variety that would create a hedge of sorts along a 25' wall that only recevied about 4 hours of sun per day. In the end I think there may have been an issue with the roses because not one survived. I bought them in the dormant stage and knew it could take 8 weeks, or longer, to see any growth, but it was eventually confirmed (almost a year later) that all 5 were dead. I am going to try again and have narrowed it down to five possibilities, including the one I failed with initially, Lady Elsie May. I don't want to rule it out entirely because it may have been the plants as opposed to the area, soil etc. The other four I've come up with are Penelope (my first choice at this point), Buff Beauty, Cornelia and Crown Princess Margareta. I know there are other roses (Knock Out, for instance) that do well in shade, or partial shade, but I really need a shrub rose for this area, and the effect I'm looking to create. Does anyone have experience with any of these varieties, and/or growing shrub roses in areas that only receive partial sun? According to my research, and multiple sources, all five of these varieties are shade tolerant, but any feedback and advice would be greatly appreciated. |
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RE: Shrub Rose for Shade
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| Just this morning I was again looking at Buff Beauty to purchase for use in a partial shade area. I like the color of Buff Beauty, and working in the shade would be a plus. I have lots of that! A few days ago someone posted a picture of Buff Beauty on HMF of the full bush that gets morning sun/dappled light after that and it looks great. I have considered Cornelia also. I'll be watching this thread, too, to see any comments. |
RE: Shrub Rose for Shade
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| The area I want to plant the roses gets about 3 hours of dappled sunlight and other 2-1/2 hours of direct sunlight each day. So about 5 1/2 hours total of some form of light and hence why I put 4 hours in the initial post. It doesn't get any sun at all in the afternoon; from 1pm onwards the area is completely shaded. I am also considering Buff Beauty and it was probably my second choice after Penelope. I found several sites that indicated it did very well in the shade. Of course the same is true for Penelope, although I found another site that said it needed full sun. |
RE: Shrub Rose for Shade
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| I grow Buff Beauty in less than optimal sun, although it probably does get 4 hrs per day. In my climate it is very vigorous, and has weaved itself sideways among other roses on a fence, up on yet another rose's trellis, and over to an arch built for Cl Iceberg, and now it has reached the wall of the house, which it is contemplating. Total distance traveled from where it is planted is at least 12 feet. That might be a good sign for you - it probably won't get as large in your climate, but being vigorous should help it survive. All of my hybrid musks do well in partial shade, so I would advise looking at that sort. Jackie |
RE: Shrub Rose for Shade
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| I have a blushing knock out that gets morning sun till about noonish and she does fine. 
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| I have a Penelope in a part sun/ part shade location. She is only a year old and is already very large- easily five feet wide and seems to want to sprawl and spread out. This is what I wanted and I gave her room to stretch but she might be too big for your situation. Mine is young but I have heard that the HMs can get very, very large. Have you thought about Marie Pavie? I have one in a very shady location and she is smothered with flowers right now. Low, bushy structure. Delightful rose. |
RE: Shrub Rose for Shade
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| Thank you to everyone for the feedback, and photos. Belle - does your Penelope get the morning or afternoon sun? And thanks for the Marie Pavie suggestion; I wasn't familiar with that variety. Apparently it only gets about 3' high, and wide, which might work well. I also found a source that said the most shade tolerant of the shrub roses was the Iceberg, which is interesting since it hadn't been listed by any of my original sources. Definitely a lot to think about. At this point I've reconsidered a little and am leaning towards the Marie Pavie and Iceberg, with the Penelope still in the running as well. Who knows, maybe I'll try all three in different areas, and see which one does best?! |
RE: Shrub Rose for Shade
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| All roses in the shade will try to "sprawl" and spread out. They are searching for sun, and that's how they do it. Seriously, if you know you have a poor spot for a rose, why put a rose there???
Grow something else better suited to that type of locale.
Roses grown in less than full sun may "tolerate" it, but they are rarely pretty in those locations.
Kathy |
RE: Shrub Roses for Shade
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| I do understand that a sunnier location would work better for most roses, hence the reason for my post. My house is both tall and wide, and there is also a wall involved on the perimeter; there are also lots of mature trees scattered about. All of these serve to block a great deal of light, and subsequently the few areas that receive full sun are in the middle of the lawn. A few of the garden areas get more light than others, but none more than 60-70% - and I have perrenial beds in those locations. There just isn't anywhere that roses would be appropriate that gets sun for more than half the day. Given my love for roses I would rather look for, and experiment with shade tolerant varieties than do without them altogether. |
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| I personally have some roses in less than ideal locations because I love them and I just have to try to work with the conditions on my little plot of land... so I can understand that impulse. I happen to also love hydrangea (I have almost 60) so my most shady spots are full of lovely things too. My Penelope gets morning sun but I think Penelope just wants to be a big rose. I have Marie Pavie in several locations but the one I mention above is actually in a bed with hydrangea- dappled sun at best- and she is doing great. I see no real difference in vigor between the shade garden Marie Pavie and the ones in more sun but they are all youngish roses so I am sure that will change over time. I really do like her. I have not grown playgirl (a floribunda) but I have seen her growing in less than optimal light (part sun) and doing well. Heirloom lists Playgirl as shade tolerant. She is medium pink. I've heard others say that Gruss an Aachen is shade tolerant. I have her and she is lovely but she gets plenty of sun in my yard so I can't speak to shade tolerance. Antique Rose Emporium has a whole list of shade tolerant roses just in case for some reason you haven't looked at their site yet. |
RE: Shrub Rose for Shade
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| Lavender Dream is very shade-tolerant and its form depends a lot on how you want to prune it. It does not ramble around, so it's stiff enough to be shrubby. Larger specimens get kind of vase-shaped from the top and arch, but it doesn't do that if you don't want it to. I have mine as an informal hedge by a path under a deciduous tree, and I get enough bloom all year to be happy with. |
RE: Shrub Rose for Shade
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| I love the Gruss an Aachen; thank you for the recommendation. And I had seen the Antique Rose Emporium site previously, but only when looking up specific varieties. I had not seen the shade tolerant list so thanks for that as well. Interestingly, Ace Hardware also has a page that lists four examples of shade tolerant roses. They mention that most still require at least 6 hours of sunlight, but the Iceberg is the sole rose that can survive on just 4 hours of morning sun only. And yet it doesn't appear on the rather long Antique Rose Emp list at all, and they do carry it, so who knows?! I've got so many partial shade areas in my yard that I may try all four - Marie Pavie, Iceberg, Penelope and Gruss an Aachen - in different spots before committing an entire hedgerow to just one. And of course I will report back in a year or so to let everyone know how each worked out. |
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