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Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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mzstitch 10 (
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Sat, Apr 14, 12 at 9:37
| I would like to start collecting some roses planted only in a pot instead of planting them in a garden. I live in S.C. zone 7, and admire Louise Clements. Can I grow this in a pot, and if so could your recommend a size pot that it will grow in without me having to repot it in future years. Also, please give me advice as to what I should put in the pot when I am planting it. I would also know how to fertilize a potted rose properly. Thank you! |
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RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Sat, Apr 14, 12 at 12:15
| Eventually everything growing in a pot needs re-potting. The potting soil wears out, the pot is so filled with roots the potting soil is gone, and so forth. Pulling the plant out and redoing it every few years extends the life of the plant and reinvigorates it. Use high-quality potting mix. Peat-based mixes lasts longest, but should be combined with added Pumice (another long-lasting material) so oxygen can get to the roots. Fertilize with gradual-release fertilizer such as Osmocote, or frequently with a liquid like Miracle-Gro or fish emulsion. 20" or larger pot. |
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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- Posted by maryl Z7 Okla. (My Page) on
Sat, Apr 14, 12 at 13:37
| Unfortunately nothing lasts forever as Hoovb says. However, you can get quite a good run out of roses in pots. Personally I'm going more and more to pots because they are easier to take care of in my situation. It's best to start out with a pot size appropriate to the size of the rose at hand, and then gradually increase the pot size as the rose grows. Depending on the size rose you buy, that can be anywhere from a 6-8 inch pot for an own root cutting of Louise Clements (that's how Heirloom roses sells this variety which is their own hybrid)to a 12 inch pot for a fully grown rose from the nursery.....When is it time to repot?... A small pot like an 8,10 or 12 inch pot, can be slightly tipped up to see if the roots are coming through the drainage holes. If they are it's time to increase the size of the pot by one increment (8 inch to 10 inch, 10 inch to 12 inch etc.). The maximum size pot I use is 24 inches. A larger variety of rose (Mr. Lincoln comes to mind) may need a bigger pot. In that case I simply don't grow that variety of rose. From what I've read about Louise Clements it should be fine up to the 24 inch mark (or maybe less). A quality potting mix with good drainage (add perlite if in doubt)is essential. No real dirt allowed. 6 month Osmocote with trace elements, supplimented by a 1/2 strength solution of Miracle gro for Roses (or Miracid - either one) about once or twice a month (depending on how frequently you water) and you should be set in the fertilizer department. I've had one rose (Tamora) in a container outside since 1991, so it is quite doable.......Maryl |
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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Thank you! I can repot that small of a pot easy! I always imagined you had to have a huge pot to pot a rose just like I had to make a huge hole in the ground before planting one in a garden! I can do this! Thank you, I knew I could come here for easy answers!
Living here in S.C. with our rock hard clay soil I'm opting for potting as a way to increase my rose collecting for now anyway. |
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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| but clay isn't all that bad for your roses either. In Michigan, we planted them in soil that was actually an old stream bed and it was just clay. With a lot of compost, the roses have been just fine for many many years. It's hard to dig initially, but once you have things planted, it's not all that bad and you don't have to water as much as you do in sand soils. Just make sure not to make a hole that's perfectly cylindrical - make the sides uneven and rough. Louise is a very pretty rose - kind of a cantaloupe orange in color and very fragrant. Sensitive to BS and can lose half or more of its leaves if you don't spray. Gets about 4 feet tall in my area. |
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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Oh Rosesinny, you gave me bad news. I didn't eve think to look at its blackspot risk. I do spray weekly for black spot, but my Julia Child still gets it, in fact I wrote a post today regarding my frustration with it. I think I just live in a very black spot prone area, perhaps I should change to a different rose, but I love the color of the Louise, so perhaps I'll try just one!
I have 9 roses in the ground, it just took me forever and a day to plant them, digging a hole 2x2, and amending the soil. So I'm just looking for an easier way to expand my rose collection a tad easier for now. I know I'll eventually plant more in the ground. |
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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- Posted by maryl Z7 Okla. (My Page) on
Sat, Apr 14, 12 at 21:08
| I too have heavy clay soil and back when we were having our spring monsoon period (we are in a drought cycle now) the roses in the ground really had a hard time surving in a swamp for weeks at a time. Hence one of the reasons for going to containers.....I didn't see your B.S. question, but if you spray with Ortho's Rose Pride once a week during prime B.S. season, or Banner Maxx before the infection sets in you shouldn't have any problems. We had an early warm up this spring and B.S. got to my roses before I was going to spray. Since they were still leafing out, I managed to stop it from spreading to the new foliage with a weekly application of Fungunex (old name for Ortho's Rose Pride). In our area when summer heat hits it doesn't cool off much at night so I can stop spraying when the temperatures start going over 90-95...If you decide against Louise Clements, which I've never grown so can't vouch for its B.S. resistance, you might want to take a peek at Easy Does It, or Adobe Sunrise. Both are in the same color scheme as Louise and both have good reviews. I've grown both in a pot and with my relaxed spray schedule there were no problems with B.S.....Maryl |
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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Thanks Maryl, here is what I posted about this years black spot: Last year I had a horrible problem with my Julia Child getting black spot, spreading to my corageous. 9 plants in all. So this year I meticulously pulled away all the mulch, pruned them back and removed any sight of foliage. Took me a couple days. Put down fresh mulch and have been spraying them weekly. Well, we had a frost here in zone 7 S.C., unexpectedly. I checked them the next morning, and the following day, all looked fine. Today I went out to give them a nice watering and to my horror I found all my Julia Child have black spot, and it has already spread to my corageous, like wild fire.
I'm heartbroken, and think I need to be more careful with the roses I pick in the future since this area seems to be blackspot heaven, lol. I like the old english look of the Louis Clements, and would like to add an old english looking rose to my collection. I love the color the most though. Easy does it is quite pretty though! I may have to collect that one! |
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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- Posted by maryl Z7 Okla. (My Page) on
Sun, Apr 15, 12 at 16:08
| There are as many as 5 or more different races of B.S. and Julia Childs seems resistant to some of them but not to others. However there are other leaf spot diseases that can plague roses that might be confused with B.S. such as Cercospora and Alternaria. These last two are particularly prevelant in cool wet spring and fall. Neither Fungunex nor Banner Maxx will prevent them so a different spray material (Mancozeb for example) should be used if you are having serious trouble with either. You may want to check the link below to see pictures of these various diseases to make sure that you are spraying for the right disease....Personally if a rose gives me too much trouble with disease (or anything else for that matter) I figure life is too short and I simply pull it and grow another variety. So many good roses out there it's a shame to waste time fretting over those that don't do well in your area........Maryl |
Here is a link that might be useful: Rose spot diseases
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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| Basically I try not to spray at all. When I sprayed, Louise was OK but you have to keep at it. I decided it's not worth it tho and this year I'll see what happens w no spray. I got rid of most of the roses that needed spraying - it's not why I garden and now I have herbs all over the place and I'm not willing to eat those if they're sprayed. Louise is very beautiful and fragrant, but I think would do better in drier climates. Too bad because it really is unique. The color shifts a little bit depending on the weather - sometimes a bit more of a pinkish orange, sometimes more strikingly pure orange. Also a very nice looking rose, not quite as orange however, is Prairie Sunrise. It's not exactly BS free, but it seems to do much better w/out spraying. |
RE: Louise Clements grown in a pot?
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| Thank you Maryl and Rosesinny. I think I'll pick another rose. When I do I'll come here for your approval, I don't want to make any more mistakes! My 4 Julia Child are beautiful If I can just get this blackspot under control. Yes, I'm sure it is, took a leaf to my local nursery last year when I had an outbreak. Henry Kuska has suggested Wilt-pruf, so I ordered some this weekend. I'm also considering changing out my mulch, but ugh that sounds like work, but Strawberryhill gave me some sound advice on this. I really appreciate the experienced advice I'm getting here, I'm very grateful. |
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