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Rose thorn infection? (On me, not rose.)

alisande
16 years ago

A thorn went deep into the back of my right hand yesterday, about an inch below the ring finger knuckle. It was painful, and at first I thought the tip was still imbedded under the skin. I squeezed it (not much to squeeze on the back of the hand) and washed it and applied a little alcohol. I don't think any of the thorn was left behind.

Today there's a red streak from the entry point to the knuckle (at the base of the finger), and it hurts to use that finger. Normally I would blow off such a small thing, but I remember what Patrick went through last year. This doesn't sound like his experience (no lumps or bumps), but I'm wondering if I should have it checked out if it's not better tomorrow.

I really really don't want to, so I thought I'd consult with you guys first. Diagnoses, please . . .

Thanks!

Susan

Comments (25)

  • york_rose
    16 years ago

    I'm not a medical professional of any kind, but I know if it was me I would not at all like seeing a red streak like that.

  • karl_bapst_rosenut
    16 years ago

    Get thee to a doctor, pronto. Tell him it's a rose thorn. When one gets into a knuckle it can get quite serious and is easier to fix if treated sooner rather than later.
    I would hope your tetanus shot is up to date!
    Do a Google search for Rose thorn disease.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Rose Thorn diseases on Google

  • ehann
    16 years ago

    Red streaks are bad. And that's a lot of progress overnight. If I were you, I'd go to an doctor tomorrow. (If you start running a temp over 101, or the finger becomes more painful than it is now, I'd even suggest you go to an urgent care or ER) Sometimes these infections progress very quickly.

    What I do is take an ink pen and circle right around the red area, that way you can tell if it's growing.


    Elaine, rn

  • michelle_co
    16 years ago

    Red streaks are bad. Infected knuckles are not especially good (exactly as Karl says). But soak it good in the warmest comfortable water tonight, for at least 20 minutes, add a little bit of mild soap (like Ivory) and of COURSE most roseaholics have epsom salts. Add that to the water, too. Most small infections will respond positively to soaking.

    Cheers,
    Michelle

  • cactusjoe1
    16 years ago

    Red or erythematous streaks developing after a puncture wound are warning signs that need to be taken seriously and treated promptly. It usually means that there is secondary bacterial infection. The streak may be due to inflammation of the lymphatic channels that drain the area, or worse, that the puncture may have pernetrated one of the tendon sheaths.

    Do not self treat or self medicate in this situation. You need to see a doctor, and soon, before it gets more serious. And try and remember when it was since you last had a tetanus booster. Tetanus infection is increasing in frequency in the older age group (above 50) as the immunity that they developed from tetanus immunisation start to wane and they don't receive boosters shots every ten years.

  • alisande
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    Thanks, everyone. After I posted about this I went food shopping, and noticed the hand was much worse. My hand was pretty useless at the supermarket as I couldn't hold onto much of anything with it.

    When I got home I saw the red streak had gotten longer, now heading for my wrist. I sat down at the computer and read your responses. Although I really hated to do it (the loss of time . . . the cost . . . the gas . . . I was tired!), after I put my groceries away I got back in the car and drove to the Emergency Room. Both the triage nurse and the doctor said rose thorns can be quite dangerous, and nothing to fool around with. He (the doctor) didn't think any part of the thorn remained in my hand, but he said it looked like I had a bacterial infection. The area was red, swollen, and hot. He prescribed ten days worth of antibiotics, gave me one to take immediately and one for this morning, and also gave me a tetanus shot.

    I don't remember the last time I was in an ER, but I think this trip was a good idea. Thanks for giving me a push.

    Susan

  • Joan Dupuis
    16 years ago

    Glad you looked after this right away. Hope your recovery is quick.

    Joan

  • roseman
    16 years ago

    See your doctor and get a tetanus shot ASAP!

  • michelle_co
    16 years ago

    I should clarify that my post didn't mean not to go to the Dr. I just thought you weren't going until tomorrow!

    Glad you went to the ER with your worsening symptoms.

    Cheers,
    Michelle

  • kandm
    16 years ago

    Thank for reminding me I should use gloves more often! Hope you feel better.

  • zeffyrose
    16 years ago

    Thank goodness you went to the ER-( we all tend to drag our feet on this) but it is necessary sometimes----I have seen pictures of this disease and it is scary---I'm happy you took care of it.

    Do get a Tetanus shot.

    Florence

  • Maryl (Okla. Zone 7a)
    16 years ago

    I'm happy you got treatment at your E.R. Had it been my local ER, your hand would have had to drop off and bounce around the floor a few times before they would have gotten around to you. But this rose thorn disease business is serious. I took a copy of an article about it that was in the ARS magazine last year to my primary physician just to make sure he was aware of it.

  • sunnysideuphill
    16 years ago

    There is also a fungus transmitted from rose thorns. My alert pcp looked at the ugly calloused and peeling patch on my right middle finger and said it reminded him of a dermatology class in med school. He took a circular plug of the nasty tough spot, sent it off to the state lab, where over a long time it grew the fungus. I had gotten a handful of thorns doing an unplanned quick rose clip to take to work one morning in early June. The finger was red, swollen, then cracked, bled, healed, and repeated that cycle pretyy much through the summer. I complained about it in early fall, and was given a course of antifungal medication to take in pill form. I always use gloves when handling the canes. (I do carefully clip blooms barehanded, though....)

  • cactusjoe1
    16 years ago

    This is a good time to remind ourselves to update our tetanus shots - it needs to be done once every ten years.

  • alisande
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    Thanks, everyone. I got the tetanus shot at the hospital, and prodded my grown children to update theirs.

    Here's a scary tale from the UK. I'm just as glad I didn't read it last night.

  • salinacf_gmail_com
    13 years ago

    Hello Everyone

    I read the above posts and found them to be very informative.
    About 3 weeks ago I was pronged by a rose thorn, in the knuckle of my middle finger the thorn went very deep. The next morning the finger was extremely swolen and I barely could bend it. I was on a course of anti-biotics so I thought that I was safe. After a couple of days the swelling went down and it seemed to do alright.
    Now 2-3 weeks later the joint is extremely painfull and bending my finger is getting more difficult. Also it seems that there is pain radiating up my arm to my elbow.
    I had tennis elbow (why they called it that, I will never know), it should be called screaming pain elbow:) Never the less it seems that the T.E has gone away but the radiating pain is still on going.
    No red lines up the arm.
    Any advice?
    Sincerely,
    Arieden

  • alisande
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Arieden, I ended up having surgery for this (real, operating-room, anesthesia surgery), as the tip of the thorn had remained inside, resting on a tendon in my hand.

    My best and strong advice is to seek medical attention quickly.

    Let us know how you're doing.

    Susan

  • ksgraywolf_bellsouth_net
    12 years ago

    i had a rose thorn at the base of my finger nail (pointer). the nail is dissappearing. like it is dissolving. there is no pain but soon i will not have a nail on this finger. will it grow back? should i be putting something on it?

  • kristen9022
    8 years ago

    I had a thorn puncture my middle finger while pruning rose bushes last Spring and it really hurt! I have had swelling and pain on and off for 4 months now and am wondering if I should have the doctor look at it...

  • countrygirlsc, Upstate SC
    8 years ago

    Yes, if it is still hurting after 4 months, see the doctor.

    Several years ago a coworker was complaining about red streaks on her upper arm that were almost her shoulder. I told her to go to the doctor immediately. She wiffle-waffled about going to the doctor for nothing. I told her again to get to the doctor. she didn't believe me so we asked a friend who agreed with me. After the third coworker opinion, she was able to see her doctor that afternoon. The doctor looked at her and said: "Go back to work and thank your friend for saving your life." Come to find out, she had a small thorn in the back of her hand and the blood poisoning had progressed from there to her shoulder. I will never forget the look on her face when she thanked me.

  • summersrhythm_z6a
    8 years ago

    Glad you're Ok now. Wear your garden gears, gloves, long pants, garden shoes, straw hat........and I use H2O2 to clean any cuts ASAP.


  • countrygirlsc, Upstate SC
    8 years ago

    oh, summer, who were you replying to?

  • summersrhythm_z6a
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Sorry, to everyone who has/had rose thorn infection. It must be painful......you have to wear garden gear for safety, just like I wear riding gear for riding...... :-)

  • titian1 10b Sydney
    8 years ago

    I was at the doctor's for something else the other day, and just happened to mention a rose thorn in my finger that was throbbing. She blanched and said "had I heard of the surgeon who got a rose thorn in his finger, and lost his arm as a result?"

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