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Unlimited compost and planting new roses
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subk3 6b/TN (
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Wed, Apr 11, 12 at 15:19
| I have virtually an unlimited, continuous supply of composted horse manure. It is actually stall leavings made up of manure, highly absorbent fine pine shavings, urine and a bit of hay that has been brought up to temperature, turned a few times and then left to sit at least 6 months.
I have a new house that was built last year and this compost was used with quality soil when creating all my beds last year. Beds for foundation plantings, perennials, herbs and soon to be roses. The small kitchen garden (the only "garden" I planted last year) was heavily amended with the stuff --3 or 4 front end loader loads in two 5'x15' spaces. The plants were VERY happy.
Skip to today. I will be planting my first roses soon. I've been reading about different "recipes" of stuff to put in the holes, fertilizers to add, etc. I'm not sure as to the best way to incorporate other soil additives/fertilizers with the compost resources and if I even need to add anything. With compost how much is too much? How often is too often? Dig more in, use it as mulch, or just throw on a shovel full on?
How would you garden if you had an over abundance of quality compost?
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RE: Unlimited compost and planting new roses
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| My understanding is compost is never too much, make sure you get good mixing into the soil. once microorganisms get going, you will have tonnes of earthworms. I got way too many earthworms now, I never use chemical pesticides. House manure with compost. I do add some NPK chemical ferts that dont harm microorganisms. I think we are now in full bloom season and roses will need to be fed constantly. get slow release fert going. |
RE: Unlimited compost and planting new roses
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| Can you use it as a top dressing over the summer to conserve water and keep down the weeds? |
RE: Unlimited compost and planting new roses
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Wed, Apr 11, 12 at 20:03
| I would mulch heavily with it twice a year and allow the earthworms to pull it down and mix it into the soil. You might need to let it sit longer than 6 months--what does it look like? Is it really thoroughly broken down? |
RE: Unlimited compost and planting new roses
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| Think it also depends on your soil. For me, my planting areas are 100% sand. So I mix about 50% compost/50% sand for my holes. I never mix in any manure compost that has any manure balls in it - if the balls aren't completely broken down (and the compost really broken down to the texture of dirt), I don't put it in the hole. Then I also mulch all the beds with about 2-3" of compost. For the mulching compost, I don't care if it's that broken down (6 months sounds good), but ensure I don't get it close enough to touch any canes. All works great for me. |
RE: Unlimited compost and planting new roses
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| The old advice is to let the manure compost at least a year, but I must confess I have used "fresh" horsemanure around some rugosas and albas with no adverse effect. Since your composted manure contains pine shavings and is only six months old you might need some extra nitrogen, like a bit of pelleted chicken fertilzer. However if your roses and plants are all happy and thriving no need to improve the situation. Since urine hasn't been washed away by rain it will provide some nitrogen for the composting prosess. |
RE: Unlimited compost and planting new roses
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| If it was aging outdoors for six months in Tennessee, it has had a thorough rinse as we've had one of the wettest twelve months on record. One thing to allow for: all those organics are going to continue to break down. What I've seen in my oldest rose beds (15 years + or -) is that all the organics that we worked into my wretched clay did improve the clay and make for happier roses, but the organics do disintegrate with time and the surface of the soil goes back down, a lot. Not much movement in drier years, but the wetness of last year really dropped soil levels. This has led me to believe that organics are best here as additions, not as a basis for filling a partly raised bed. |
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