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| I planted/potted these on the 18th...
Sunrise (in ground)
Blue Girl
Peace
Blue Girl 2
Blue Girl 3
Gene Boerner
These were all small box or bagged roses that I was hoping to save but I think they all look pretty done for. Am I right? Thanks,
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| The last one looks like it is alive. With bareroots it is best to pot them up and have them in full shade until they have white roots sticking out of the pots. If you plant them in the ground and the sun is hot you have to arange some type of shade like a fiber cloth to fend of the burning sun. The easiest is of course to plant in rainy and cloudy weather, but it doesn't always happen. |
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- Posted by lola-lemon none (My Page) on Wed, May 30, 12 at 15:50
| You may get the last one to grow if you trim the roots a tiny bit and water it perfectly and give it a month more. ...but, in my experience healthy bagged bareroot roses will bud up and leaf out in the bag. At the end of the season- those that never budded/leafed out in their bags (or that did bud, but then dried up and dropped the buds)usually wont do much in the pot either. I always look for plump growth happening before i buy a bagged rose. So sorry, it's such a bummer. |
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| I know some prune roots and even the experts do it. I have come to the conclusion it does nothing good unless the roots are huge and pot is small. I would just be patient, put it in the shade and water. |
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| Sorry for your losses. The last one has a bit of green and may still be alive, but probably not for long. Better not to prune roots because this creates a raw wound for pathogens to enter. Avoiding root damage is helpful. |
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- Posted by lola-lemon none (My Page) on Wed, May 30, 12 at 19:48
| Taoseeker and HoovB --you guys know way more than I about roses for sure. So i am wondering if a rose has been in sawdust in a bag for months and possibly dried up a few times, if root pruning would still be a bad idea? Is root pruning sensible only if root bound (or even then?). I just assumed it was like cutting fresh tips on a flowers from the supermarket that had dried their ends to snip the ragged tips if bareroots. |
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| We quit root pruning years ago. Never saw that it did a bit of good. As a general rule, if I was going to buy a bare root rose, I would ONLY buy it when the first of them hit the market at the biggest nurseries (who tend to have first call). Bare roots that have sat for 6 months or more in storage somewhere are going to have a far lower chance of growing at all, and some of them, once the roots have dried out, you might as well use 'em for kindling. "Leftover" bare root roses are rarely the bargain they appear to be. :-( Jeri |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Wed, May 30, 12 at 21:08
| Okay, thanks for all of the responses. These were the first ones I bought this season before I came here :) (to this message board) and before I googled anything about roses. I was just taken in by the pretty picture on the box/bag and the reassurance of the store clerk that they would grow. I figured with enough love and TLC I'd have some beauties by next season at least. I'm not too sad about these since I've been buying a ton of roses lately (potted, bigger plants that I can hopefully keep alive!) and have a Peace in the ground along with a Gene Boerner (although it is scrawny and doesn't look great either) and have a local lead on a Blue Girl. I appreciate the responses! |
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| Here is how to tell if rose tissue is alive. There is green inner bark that appears as a thin ring in a freshly cut cross section. No green ring, no life. With the graft or bud union, obviously you don't want to cut that. but you can scrape off a bit of outer bark and look for green. If the graft section (swelling where the canes diverge) is dead, there is no hope. Cane sections with black bark are obviously dead. Plants can take a few weeks to break dormancy after planting. Bagged roses are best bought and planted in early spring and protected against freezes of <28 degrees. They should be soaked before planting. The ones most likely to survive have barely started to break dormancy, without long shoots. Don't prune roots unless to fit the pot. |
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| Those roses all appear to be severely infected with cane rot, otherwise known as Botrytis. Unfortunately, Botrytis can easily survive in the cold storage for bare roots. That's one of the most common reasons cheap roses (bodybags at big discount stores) die when planted at home. They've already got the Botrytis - typically from the hard pruning they've experienced when up-rooted - and it takes off spreading as soon as the temps get a bit warmer. It's helpful to spray a contact-killer fungicide in late-winter/early-spring to preven the disappointment if cane rot later on. |
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| The bareroot roses we just got from Edmund's sale are leafing out just fine! No surprise, as they had nice green canes when we got them. While fresh bareroots make sense in warm climates, they aren't really an option in Connecticut, where it is impractical to store roses over the winter--makes more sense to have them stored in Wisconsin or Ontario and have them shipped here when the weather gets warm enough for planting. |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Fri, Jun 1, 12 at 16:56
| Thanks for the responses! Rosetom I'd never even heard of cane rot! Wow, thanks for the info! The roses are all from different sources. Blue Girl 1, Peace, and Sunrise were Windmill brand from Pan American Nursery (Meijer) and in plastic boxes. Gene Boerner and the other two Blue Girls were bagged roses from different stores that were pretty much done when I bought them. I'm just an optimist rose newbie hoping for the best. I dug out the Sunrise (or is that SP in rose talk? I'm learning :) ) and I know this is totally pointless but I put it into a pitcher to soak with some miracle grow start solution. I also took Blue Girl 2 out of the pot and stuck her in that same pitcher, I know, once again, probably completely pointless but I figured hey, why not? When I took out the Sunrise I saw no root growth or anything, all dried out and brown :( on Blue Girl 2 there was one itty bitty white root growing, super skinny, probably not enough to revive the plant. The others I've just left in the pots so far and I guess I'll just keep them for a little while longer to see if anything happens. Zack, the roses I took photos of were not from Edmund's, didn't want you to think that. I did buy two bare roots from Edmund's a couple of weeks ago and one is leafing out very nicely and one has nice green canes but no bud action just yet. Glad to hear yours are doing well :) I have had a pleasant Edmund's experience so far and would order from them again. |
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| Yep - cane rot can occur especially with those cheap body bags that have waxed canes. It can occur anytime in early spring, though. If the temps (between freezing and 50 degrees, if I remember correctly) and humidity are just right, Botrytis can do a number on established roses after they've been pruned. The canes' cut ends are easier sites for fungus introduction. For instance, if you prune one bush that has a bit of Botrytis in the canes - which we often do, because we're cutting out dead growth - you can potentially spread the Botrytis to all your other roses. It's a big reason why people say you should rinse your pruner blades in a bit of alcohol or bleach, before moving on to the next bush. I always start my spray program in very early spring - for certain after I've pruned - with a contact killer such as Mancozeb/Pentathlon or Daconil. It helps to ensure that any of the cold-natured fungi like Botrytis gets killed before it has a chance to set in. |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Fri, Jun 1, 12 at 21:42
| Wow, that is some scary stuff! I was worried about passing blackspot around since that was on my one established rose plant to my 30 or so new ones I bought this year and now I will have another disease to worry about! I will have to check out the sprays you mentioned. So far I've only done the Bayer Advanced Rose all in one, is that any good? Seems to have helped the blackspot on my one rose (new growth looks good) ... not quite sure what else is in it. |
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