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| Hi, guys! I bought this rose and planted it in my new front bed. (Please excuse the messy bed, it's not ready yet and I had that old dyed black scott's mulch from a couple of years ago before I read the post here and am getting rid of it for some natural stuff soon)
It had two blossoms (?) on it when I planted it last week and now they bloomed but are two totally different colors and neither looks like the photo on the box they were in.
I did some googling on Double Time Hybrid Tea and can't find any information on them anywhere even at the nursery site that they came from. Any ideas? The one is a brighter pink with a softer pink inside (so almost like the photo on the case but not quite the right colors) and the other bloom is a very pretty lavender color, beautiful! Both are growing from the newer part, not the rootstock.
Would love to hear what you think about this one! Thanks :)
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| lol the company that packaged them labeled it wrong hahhahaa sorry but i think its funny |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 17:50
| Great, oh-well! :) At least I think it is pretty! Any idea what it is or if there really is a Double Time Hybrid Tea Rose? |
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| From what I can see of the package, the rose labelled 'Double Time' might be 'Brigadoon'?? The rose you have appears to be a mauve -- Lord knows WHAT Mauve -- and there is no evidence of a rose grower called "Windmill." Who was the retail seller??? Jeri |
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| Nummykitchen, in what state do you live? What's the nursery's web site address? The name "Double Time" isn't registered with the American Rose Society nor does it appear on Help Me Find-Roses. Perhaps if we had some idea where the rose is being retailed, and the ability to do some deeper digging, someone might come up with more information. The photo of your rose indicates it is rather phototropic, meaning it varies greatly with temperature and light. Double Delight is an excellent example of a phototropic rose. It begins ivory white and reddens quite dramatically the hotter and brighter the weather is. Your rose obviously has the ability to express lavenders, perhaps peach tints to pinks, all depending upon how hot and bright it is. It could be classified as either a pink or mauve blend. There have been many roses in blends like this and could either be one which has been assigned a new name for whatever reason, or someone's seedling which has arbitrarily been named Double Time. The name makes sense as it seems to give you twice the color as it blushes to its other colors. Names like this have been previously used, such as Double Delight, Double Feature, Double Treat, etc. I wouldn't be too distressed about the two different colors of rose blooms. It's fairly common for those which change color like this to express different colored flowers if one opened when it was hotter and the other cooler. At the worst, you have twice the selection you would if they were all identical. It seems happy with what you've done with it. Congratulations! Kim |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 18:30
| Thanks Jeri! Here is the website for the Pan American Nursery that does Windmill roses http://panamnursery.com/ I've purchased quite a few Windmill brand ones (they were $7.99 and I bought them at Meijer) so not really worth it to dig up and return (don't even think I kept the box or receipt...) I'm new to rose gardening and have just planted quite a few roses (around 30, in different color schemed beds) so I'm hoping that this will be my only mix-up! Yikes! |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 18:33
| Roseseek, Thanks! We must have posted at the same time. I just put up some of the information and the weblink. I am in Michigan. I am going to snap another photo or two since it has opened up more this afternoon. |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 18:47
| Okay here are a few more photos... Rose 1 -- most like box photo
Rose 2 -- light purple / lavender
Both roses, although their color difference is more defined unphotographed...
Hope these help! |
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| I have no idea what it is, but just wanted to add that I think if is a perfectly charming rose and while it may be mislabeled, it is pretty enough to keep and enjoy. After all, to paraphrase the Bard, what's in a name? A rose by any other name would look as sweet. : ) Kate |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 19:20
| Thanks, Kate! It's my first rose to bloom so mislabeled or not it is kind of special to me :) Kim, another info tidbit -- the nursery is from Canada so maybe that is why it's not registered with the American Rose Society? Could that be a possibility? Thanks for your help! |
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| Oh -- The one where it is open slightly, and the petal edges are ruby red -- that appears to be 'Paradise.' Check that out on HMF: Jeri But, no -- It's not because it's a Canadian Nursery. ARS is the IRAR -- the International Rose Registration body. It's far more likely that is a rose, such as 'Brigadoon' which is still in patent. If they sold it as 'Brigadoon,' they would owe a portion of the profit to (probably) Jackson & Perkins or whoever holds the patent. So they put a fake name on it and cheat the patent-holder. Nice. --NOT!!-- Only -- If it is 'Paradise,' well, that's out of patent anyhow . . . Jeri |
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| From those last photos it could possibly Paradise. Mine can be anywhere from mauve with very wide deep red edges to hardly any red at all. |
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| As soon as I saw the later photo of red and lavender, Paradise came to mind, then I read the Paradise posts. They appear to have packaged Paradise under the Double Time name because it gives you double the color in one flower. Not a "mix up", just a rebadging, which is being done all over these days. Nothing for you to return the plant over as it's not unethical nor illegal. At least it's an OK rose. Kim |
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| I agree with roseseek. Chances are good that it's exactly what it says it is with the "Double" in its name. The differences between your two blooms can easily occur with a rose that reacts to differences in sunlight. I hope I'm not too critical, but since it was mentioned twice - there's no resemblence to Brigadoon at all, IMHO. |
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- Posted by mgleason56 Michigan 5b (My Page) on Thu, May 24, 12 at 9:13
| I figured this was from Meijer as soon as I saw the name since they have been selling this now for two years. Would also concur that it looks like Paradise. |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Thu, May 24, 12 at 10:25
| Okay thanks guys, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with a newbie! Here is something that is kind of confusing me about this Windmill Pan American Nursery, I have some other from them and have found these listings on David's Garden Plant Files..."Blue Bubbles" which has photos that someone posted, and "Blue Lagoon" which happens to be another one that I purchased but haven't planted yet... with two different roses -- "Additional cultivar information: (aka KSN#3120715-2) So does what would that mean? This is all so new to me and quite confusing! Thanks! |
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| "KSN" may simply stand for Key Serial Number, indicating that the rose is exclusive to Pan American Nurseries and may as well be known by their Serial Number. I don't know why Dave's Garden doesn't list a KSN for Blue Lagoon, but you can probably tell that Pan American's own hybridizing varieties are not universally recognized. It's possible that your pink rose is "Paradise," but their impressive catalog (looks like they bought most of Weeks' stock) already carries Paradise (page 10). I'm not sure they'd have any advantage in selling a universally-recognized rose variety under their own, lesser-known variety name. I'd love to order their Climbing Peace (I killed mine), but they're obviously wholesalers with a $250 minimum order. So again, I think your rose may be exactly as labeled - just that as a light-sensitive-color-trait, you're going to get variations. |
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| Just noticed, the other bareroot planting looks awful close, unless you are trying to get a single bush look effect? |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Thu, May 24, 12 at 16:16
| Thanks for the great info, Rosetom! Good point on the nursery already having Paradise in their stock so maybe Double Time is just their own unrecognized hybrid. Harmonyp, I wasn't intentionally trying to get a single bush effect, but wasn't trying to avoid that either :) That might be nice. I planted them about 12 - 18 inches apart, not thinking they will get that big...of course I'd love for them to get huge, just doubt that is possible since it is an only part sun bed. There are 6 plants total there, mostly bare root or just starting out like this Double Time one. Honestly was thinking of moving them to a sunnier spot. |
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- Posted by mgleason56 Michigan 5b (My Page) on Thu, May 24, 12 at 16:22
| I did not even notice Double Time in their catalog. Did anyone else? |
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| No, but I couldn't find any of their own hybridized varieties in that catalog. (It's still good rose porn.) It may be that they only sell them in their "Showtainer" displays. Selling massive amounts of specific roses ($250 minimum) may not work for their own varieties, since it seems no one else recognizes them. |
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Thu, May 24, 12 at 16:44
| I did not see the Double Time in the catalog either, or some others I purchased from them...Blue Lagoon, White Knight, Arizona, etc. but I did also get a Sunsprite from them and some other well known roses. Rosetom, I'd never the term "rose porn" before, too fun. The catalog was nice to look through. Here are some new pictures from today that appear to be fully bloomed...I love it :) even though the lavender one looks kind of scrawny.
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- Posted by nummykitchen (My Page) on Sat, May 26, 12 at 12:03
| Okay, so after all this what I'm understanding is that this Double Time Rose is a rose that has been hybridized by this Pan American Nursery in Canada and is similar to the Paradise rose but it is it's own rose, just not recognized at this point? Interesting! I think I will e-mail the nursery and see if I can get a confirmation on this one. The rose turned a striking hot pink during the hot day yesterday and I cut it this morning and it is a beautiful two tone. The lavender one stayed the same and smaller, but still pretty. Hot day... Both... Cut in the early morning, colors toned back down! Didn't even know that was possible, I thought once the color changed it was permanent!
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| Well, what ever it is, it is pretty so enjoy it! Some of those may not appear in their catalog because they were exclusive to Meijers or other places. I know when I checked out my Meijers this spring they had several roses I'd never heard of before and couldn't find info on. They did look fairly healthy even though the roots had obviously been chopped pretty short to get them into those pots. |
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