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Have you used a plant support like this for a rose?

Posted by Dinglehopp3r 7a East TN (My Page) on
Sat, May 17, 14 at 21:46

Hi all! I am trying to decide what kind of support system to get for my Golden Celebration, so that it will grow more vertically up to my porch, and I think that I am favoring this one, have any of you used this style of support?

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Or would any of you have any other suggestions? I want to keep it somewhat rounded, and not try to flatten it out on a straight trellis (although I'm pretty sure it wouldn't go for that anyway), but I have never used any support as I am very new at growing roses, and I am not sure what would be best? Or even where the best to purchase things like this is, I am having difficulties finding places that sell plant supports in general. )I have found both of the products I am asking about on Gardeners.com)

I also have another plant support question regarding my Munstead Wood. It is a very new plant, planted only last week, it seemed very upright and self supporting when I planted it, and for several days afterward it stayed that way, then I had a heavy rain a couple of days ago, and now all the canes are sprawled out everywhere, each cane is arching away from the center of the plant dramatically. At first I was not worried because I know rain water will weigh the flowers & stems down, but it has been a few days since it rained at this point and it seems like the plant is completely dry. I'm sure it will improve with passing time, but do you think it would be helpful or necessary for the time being to purchase some half rings, such as these:

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I would really like to get it back to the nice upright form it had before, it went from being about 4 1/2 feet tall to being maybe 3 feet tall because everything is horizontal at this point.

Thanks for any input on any of these topics.

Jessica.


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RE: Have you used a plant support like this for a rose?

Hi there, I have not tried this for climbing roses but I think that's a neat idea if it works. Interested to hear if any one else has tried this method! I might have to give this a shot. :)


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RE: Have you used a plant support like this for a rose?

If I may be so bold as to suggest.....why not start out just by getting 3 or 4 pieces of rebar, and making a teepee/tripod out of them for starters? SO much less expensive,and since you are new at growing roses, it might be wise to begin with something less costly. In my own experience, it can take roses a couple years to show the gardener how they wish to grow: how big they want to get,etc. Austins have a reputation for getting quite big in warm climates,and I could see a rose out-growing the supports pictured rather quickly (frankly they look to me more like supports for perennials, not climbing roses),so it might be a good idea to put off making such a large investment until you get a clearer idea of what you'll really need. In the mean time, the rebar will help support the rose, and I find doing things this way ends up stimulating my own creativity as well! cheers, bart


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RE: Have you used a plant support like this for a rose?

In East TN, there's probably a feed store or hardware store that sells veggies this time of year (local Ace Hardware stores can be more expensive, but still not too expensive). I get big tomato cages from there, and those work great until the rose gets too big. If the rose is a big shrub and not a climber, the support isn't necessary after the canes get old enough to support a lot of weight themselves, so it's OK that the tomato cages don't come quite THAT big :)

For climbers, I put them on walls or arbors instead of using any cages. I do use the cages on them when young if it's easier than tying them (like to a wall early on). Just watch out for when they start to outgrow the cage, because you have to let them support themselves then (shrubs) or put in heavier-duty support (like behind climbers on a wall). I do have to cut out the tomato cages sometimes, but that's easy with gloves and the right kind of wire cutters :)

The ones you are showing have extra bits of support across the top that would probably be difficult with rose canes, imho. The tomato cages are more like big, more open funnels. I train canes both inside and out of those (and cut them out later if necessary).


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  • Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
    Sun, May 18, 14 at 16:43

Here, GC has formed a natural looking globe shape without much help.

Like merideth_e, I use tomato cages for floppy baby roses. Cheapest thing. Then when they are not floppy any more I cut the cage out of the rose with wire cutters. Sometimes you can get tomato cages for very cheap after the main tomato season is over. At that point a lot of stores just want to get rid of them because they take up space.


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RE: Have you used a plant support like this for a rose?

I don't think that first support is big enough for Golden Celebration. To keep life simple, I would probably just purchase a wire-type garden "fence" (I don't know what HD and those places actually call them)--one that was about 2.5-3 ft tall and circle it around the plant, letting it grow naturally upward in the middle.

My Munstead Wood is one year old and a bit "floppy" (though not real bad). So far, I use the single bloom supports and position them strategically under a couple of the blooms that are too top-heavy for the slender canes. Obviously I have to move them around later as different blooms start weighing down different canes. I'm hoping MW's canes will toughen up in a year or two, or, as it gets bigger, I may have to get one of those wire-type garden "fences" about 1.5 ft tall to circle around MW and keep those canes from totally falling over.

Since MW is a smaller rose, you can also just take a v-shaped twiglet from a fallen tree limb and insert under the top-heavy cane. Makes a great "natural" support, very inconspicuous. I often do that also.

Kate


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RE: Have you used a plant support like this for a rose?

  • Posted by vasue 7A Charlottesville (My Page) on
    Mon, May 19, 14 at 11:20

Agree this won't work - rather a glorified peony ring, the sort you put up when the stems of a perennial are still short so they can grow through the grid. You can find a large diameter ring without the grid for about $5 at Walmart & other box store garden centers. Look for the kind that has a hook at each end of the ring itself, so the circle can be opened to place around the plant without trying to thread branches through a solid ring. The legs just hang from the ring, so you fit the ring higher than needed, slide the legs to position (splayed works well), push in & then close the hooks to complete the ring. These come with various circumference & leg lengths & perhaps you could use 2 or 3 on Munstead Wood at staggered heights, relieving any pressure from the ring against the canes by giving it supports at several points. Never tried it with roses, but they work fine with tall phlox, monarda, any plant that tends to flop open at the center. May be worth a try, since they're so inexpensive. Have tried the half-round stake-in supports you show from that company & have them in different widths & leg lengths. Find them quick props for whoopsy situations but not great for longer use. Having only 2 legs, they need to be pushed in on angle toward the plant since the branches bow them outwards. More than one becomes necessary & twist-ties to stabilize them relative to each other. Find the rings more useful, though the leg positioning can take some fiddling. Another stake slightly smaller than the legs can be helpful for making the initial soil groove the legs can then be set in firmly. Mark the stake with a piece of masking tape for the depth you want the legs to penetrate the soil so you end up with the support horizontal rather than crazy angles, same as you'd set an obelisk or arbor. Lowes & others also carry leafy or curvy 2-5' double-pronged stakes for $10-15 that might work to support MW's branches. Foldable rabbit-fencing type garden edging with ground spikes & looped tops comes in low & knee-high versions & could be fitted around MW. Have even used croquet wickets in a pinch...

I've used tomato cages, often snipping them vertically & stretching them out to form semicircles for support. Usually place them upside down - the legs sticking up & soil staples securing the ring at the bottom - with the now topside legs gathered into a finial like the terracotta balls sold for bamboo cane toppers. If they've been snipped lengthwise to fit around a plant, green zipties hold them together again & are easily cut for removal. (Also fits well in pots & looks classical. Good for vines & topiary frames, too, as well as cones planted like "living wreaths".)

For Golden Celebration, you might try a curved trellis such as the one in the link. Even two of these would be no more pricey than the support you've shown, and may actually prove useful. You've got the wall behind GC, so you could support the naturally arching canes with one of these to the front, one at either side, 2 side-by-side to form a semicircle around the front, or placed at the rear with the arms curving toward the rose. I've seen these in person - they're hefty & made well for the price. Considering one myself, imagining sliding seashells or Christmas balls over the arrow points to make them less formal in this country garden, though they are classically traditional as they are. You could also do a modified espalier using the suction-cup anchors sold for vines on the wall with monofilament line, making the support invisible.

Dura-Trel makes some good-looking & reasonably priced trellises in gray & mocha as well as white, some broad & tall enough to cover a wall, with a 6-footer running around $50. The wall one can be found for $120 & free ship, and might be used to run up the wall behind your rose & continue past the wall to form a "railing" to that end of your porch. Tall trellises can be hard to find - Plow & Hearth carries a couple metal ones reasonably priced. Many use the livestock panels available at farm supply stores. A length of modular garden fence set in front of the bed might keep GC in bounds for a while. There are so many options out there.

Left the GC here to grow unbound the first couple of years while considering how to provide support. Unlike yours, that one's in the center of a wide bed, so in no danger of sprawling to snag passersby. Wound up assembling a copper pipe obelisk 2' square by 9' high around the rose, the kind with ogee curves at the top held by a ball finial. GC's corraled within the structure rather than tied in & arches gracefully along the cross-bars as a tall fountain. Copper obelisks can be pricey to buy, but they're simple to construct with pipe fittings & a pipe cutter with no soldering required. Found mine some years back as a garden store display irresistibly discounted & stored it knocked-down till it, finally, came to mind when pondering how to support Golden Celebration after perusing many possibilities. Seems your GC's in no immediate need, so maybe keep exploring the possibilites...


This post was edited by vasue on Mon, May 19, 14 at 12:51


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