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| Ordered a Thomas Affleck rose hoping it would do well with blackspot around here. But when I opened the box after it arrived today it was full of BS. Gee hope that isn't a bad sign...lol |
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| It would not be a bad sign to me. I do not spray ever. Sometimes roses that are pretty resistant to black spot, get it due to circumstances. Thomas Affleck is great for me. I would not worry about the black spot, but possibly would call the vendor to ask what made that happen. When you purchase from a certain vendor regularly, I think it is good to maintain contact with them. You can learn a lot when you ask those relevant questions. If you do call the vendor, I hope you share the information with us. Sammy |
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- Posted by prairielaura 6b (My Page) on Fri, May 9, 14 at 10:16
| Thomas is an excellent rosebush...i bought two in Texas, put them in big pots, moved them to the mountains of NC the following year. They have survived in the pots through a really bad winter and are starting to bloom. I don't recall any blackspot episodes, and i have lots of it here! Your blackspot problem may have been a shipping issue...too warm and damp in transit? |
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| I just planted Thomas Affleck to see how he does here. Thinking about it Thomas probably did get BS during shipment. I sent a clean rose bush to Kansas from Pa once and it arrived with BS... |
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| By the way thanks you two for the encouragement. I have always read Thomas is a good rose and that's why I bought it to try... :) I'll update on Thomas later toward fall... |
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| When I recieved Thomas Affleck in the mail half the leaves had BS on them. I left them on to feed the plant since it was a new rose... Since then the rose bush has dropped all the BS leaves and many new nice looking leaves have taken there place. Thomas Affleck is clean and has very healthy looking leaves right now! :-) I will update at the end of the year... This pic was taken 7 days after I planted TA... May 15th 2014 This pic was taken today... June 8th 2014
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This post was edited by jim1961 on Sun, Jun 8, 14 at 15:22
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| Sorry taking so long to get back Sammy... I wrote to company that I got Thomas Affleck off of and below is there response... ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Roses in shipping boxes are prone to this. Roses are naturally deciduous and readily drop there leaves in the stress of shipping. Blackspot is an opportunistic pest that takes advantage of this environment. Roses should continue to thrive now. Thanks, Mike" Thomas Affleck is doing real well now with flawless leaves and getting ready to bloom for the first time since I planted him on May 8th... TA has about 8 flower buds at the present time. |
This post was edited by jim1961 on Tue, Jun 10, 14 at 19:44
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| First Thomas Affleck bloom since I planted TA... It rained really hard last night so had to hold up the bloom to take a pic...lol
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| TA has been showing some signs of powdery mildew... Hopefully he outgrows that problem. This TA gets about 9+ hours of sun per day. TA planted May 8th 2014 is blooming away at the present time...
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| TA still battling some PM and also has BS spreading a bit again but still doing ok overall... Only time will tell how well it does in our no spray garden... Blooms last approx 72+ hours on the bush... Hotter days probably less...
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This post was edited by jim1961 on Tue, Jul 1, 14 at 19:04
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| Just updating this thread so I can keep track on how this rose does and I will have all the details and pics in one place so I can find them easily. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- July 8, 2014 TA still has touches of PM here and there... Blackspot has continued spreading throughout the bush again. I notice some leaf drop so far but not much.
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- Posted by johnnycabot Z4b MI. (My Page) on Tue, Jul 8, 14 at 16:00
| Jim, I think I would be appalled if I had opened a box from a grower which contained a rose with BS. I would feel they had sent me a bad plant! Good to know. Your TA looks wonderful in spite of his shaky start. I see he is planted away from other roses so his situation did not affect any others. I use my camera a lot also especially to learn what or how time affects results. |
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| That's actually the first rose I've ever gotten that had BS when it arrived here JohnnyCabot. Just updating: Thomas Affleck still has BS spreading a bit BUT only minor leaf drop so far. Just some minor touches of PM also. TA starting to get some new growth which will be setting more buds here soon...
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| Give it another year, and I'll bet TA will be one tough rose fighting off disease and blooming well! Myself, I pluck off the leaves with blackspot on them when they start turning yellow or if a green one gets a particularly heavy attack of BS. Looks neater and less chance for the BS to spread itself around that way. Kate |
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| I hope so Kate! Thanks! Time will tell... |
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| I am not pulling Blackspot infected leaves off the bush or doing any type of cleanup and no spraying of any type. I like to see just how resistant a rose is without much fussing... July 25, 2014 Thomas Affleck still fighting off Blackspot and PM. Both diseases are getting worse and more and more leaf drop is occuring. BLACKSPOT:
OVERALL: From a few feet away the bush still looks good...
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This post was edited by jim1961 on Fri, Jul 25, 14 at 11:54
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| Thomas Affleck loading up with flower buds and should bloom soon... (Second flush since I planted.)
Thomas Affleck appears to not like our climate very much... Still fighting Blackspot and Powdery Mildew problems here in latter July. I did clean up fallen BS leaves from under TA on July 26th 2014... Thomas Affleck was bred more for Texas so I'm thinking it may just be a bit too wet for him here in our region...
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- Posted by farmerduck (My Page) on Mon, Jul 28, 14 at 20:04
| Jim -- I went to the Peggy Rockefeller Rose Garden in the Bronx two weeks ago. Most of the roses have few or no blooms on them, and TA is an exception. The garden is non-spray. TA seems happy and healthy there. I think you got a great rose. |
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| First bloom of Thomas Afflecks second flush...
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| Your TA is so pretty, I hope it outgrows it's BS and PM for you. I live in a very humid area of Texas so I wonder how he would do for me with BS. Almost all of my roses get a touch of BS at some point, some worse than others. I used to spray but found it really didn't work for me so I have had a no spray garden for a few years. I usually keep the BS leaves picked off as best I can and try to keep it clean under the rose and let it run it's course. I may have to try TA one day. I have enjoyed your thread an watching him grow. |
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| Hey Jim, I cab't respond to the message you sent because your GW email is blocked. Michael |
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- Posted by jim1961 6a Central Pa. (inntruderr61@aol.com) on Fri, Aug 1, 14 at 18:31
| boncrow66 , Thomas Affleck was bred for Texas so he would probably do well in Texas... Rose leaves here are wet a lot from rain and our heavy dews... farmerduck, I have no doubt Thomas Affleck is a good rose but so far there is something here TA just doesn't like I guess...TA does look happy in NY! Michaelg, you can post the answer to my question here if you wish... Michael you should be able to contact me through Gardenweb now... |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Fri, Aug 1, 14 at 18:44
| I'm very interested in the source of the information that the NYGB has gone no-spray. I've found a lot of references to minimizing spraying, and using IPM, but nothing but Gardenweb rumors saying they don't use fungicides. Given the lists of what roses they are trying to grow, I just can't imagine trying to grow those anywhere near here without a good spray program. |
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- Posted by jim1961 6a Central Pa. (inntruderr61@aol.com) on Sat, Aug 2, 14 at 17:34
| Right now TA has 11 buds and 3 blooms starting its second flush... TA had one other bloom but it fell off...
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- Posted by farmerduck (My Page) on Sat, Aug 2, 14 at 19:50
| Mad-gallica -- Good question. I talked to a person working there a few years ago, and she said that the garden is non-spray. But I recall that she is a volunteer, not one of the regular staff. (At the Cranford garden, I was told they spray, but only "minimally". I believe that lady was the resident Rosarian). I have also seen roses ravaged by disease at the NYBG rose garden later during the season too, so I have always been under the impression that they don't spray. I saw quite a few roses affected by blackspot even two weeks ago whiel I was there. I just went to their website, the video on their home page says that they plant varities that "eliminate the need for harmful chemcials and fertilizers". That is diferent from saying they don't use them at all. Youl could be right. Guess that I need to track down the rosarian to confirm next time I go there. |
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- Posted by jim1961 6a Central Pa. (inntruderr61@aol.com) on Sat, Aug 2, 14 at 20:26
| Yes please try to find out famerduck.... A big Thanks! |
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- Posted by farmerduck (My Page) on Sat, Aug 2, 14 at 21:20
| Mad-Gallica, It is more likely than not you are technically right. I just saw a 2012 NYT article, which says the follows: "Since his campaign began, the use of fungicide, once sprayed liberally to eradicate black spot, a common disease of roses, has fallen by 86 percent." Sorry, I might have been unknowingly spreading half truth on this forum. Thanks for calling this out, and now I know better. I wonder how much they spray now. |
Here is a link that might be useful: NY Times
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Sun, Aug 3, 14 at 14:54
| It would be nice to be able to find out what their current care regime does consist of. You would think they would want the public to know - both as an explanation of why their roses don't look 'perfect', and to educate people that you don't have to spray roses daily. Then there is the problem of where that 86% number comes from. Let's say, for example, they were previously spraying fungicides and insecticides weekly, and counting that as 8 sprayings. Then the eliminated the insecticide spraying, and only spray fungicide once a month. Curiously enough, that works out to reducing the spraying by 85.5%, rounding to 86%. It is still a fairly long way from a no-spray garden, however. |
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| Temps have been averaging 75-80 degrees during the daytime hours the past few days with nightime temps in the 50's... Thomas Affleck blooms have been lasting approx 2-3 days on the bush in these conditions...
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| Aug 14, 2014 I had to strip Thomas Affleck of all his leaves terrible blackspot on every leaf and terrible Powdery Mildew has the younger leaves curling and falling off... It sort of shocked me with the mildew as I have NOT seen mildew on any rose, plant, shrub for the past 20 years since I lived here... |
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- Posted by sandandsun 9a FL (My Page) on Thu, Aug 14, 14 at 23:50
| Yes, as a no fungicide gardener, I've often wanted to claim the NYBG's rose garden as an example of a no spray success, but I've never been able to find a supporting statement. There are statements such as these: "The Peggy Rockefeller Rose Garden is being transformed into one of the most disease-resistant gardens of its kind. Roses have a reputation for being disease prone and difficult to grow. Over the past 20 years, rose hybridizers around the world bred and selected roses for disease resistance. Since 2009, high-maintenance roses in the Rose Garden have been replaced with more than 3,500 new, hardy roses, chosen for disease resistance, long flowering time, and easy care." Found on: http://www.nybg.org/gardens/rose-garden/ And: "And so the Garden has adopted best practices for horticultural care throughout the grounds, among which is the use of integrated pest management, a method of protecting plants from pests and pathogens with the least environmentally harmful techniques available. The Garden has switched to using only organic fertilizer, which is more beneficial to soil health than synthetic applications, and also composts all plant-waste materials -- some 1.4 million pounds per year -- and uses the compost generated to keep plants healthy, a first line of defense." Found on: http://www.nybg.org/sustainability/horticulture.php "protecting plants from pests and pathogens with the least environmentally harmful techniques available" That statement sounds heroic, but is sadly vague. |
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