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| Hello!
I am hoping someone can help ID this rose. I grew this from a cutting, and it is the first time I have seen it bloom. It was acquired from a woman who lives near me and offered cuttings of her roses. This one was growing on the property when she moved in. She described it as a wild pink climber, though I do not know if she mentioned or knew if it was a once bloomer. I got the impression she had bought the house somewhat recently and may have only seen it bloom one season. It may be a once bloomer. I took the cuttings in late August and it was not in bloom and I do not remember any spent flowers. The others I took cuttings of were not once bloomers, and did have flowers or spent flowers on them at the time. This one did not, if I remember correctly. The flower is small, about an inch, inch and a half, and is a hot pinkish color. It has many clusters of buds, would these be called "sprays"?
I rooted it two winters ago but this is the first time I have seen any of these cuttings bloom. This one has shot out a couple long, arching canes this year, maybe up to six or seven feet or so. I feel like this is deja vu from the recent thread "Species Rose". It has some of the same characteristics as that rose, but the leaves are shaped differently, I think, and may be a bit darker. It seems pretty clean, though I did spray a fungicide on all the roses several weeks ago, hoping to avoid the blacksopt that over took Julia Child last year. The blooms are small, but maybe not quite as small as the ones from the other thread. Again, I am not sure if it is a once blooming rose, but perhaps someone can give me some ideas as to what it may be without knowing that information. More pictures of it are here: http://photobucket.com/UnknownWildPinkClimber Thank you for your time! If different pictures could be helpful, let me know. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Unknown Wild Pink Climber
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| Not a wild (species) rose, but probably a rambler of (judging by the foliage) wichurana heritage. Expect it to grow rampantly and bloom heavily in June each year, a bit later than typical roses. These usually have pretty good disease resistance and are able to survive without care. You see them at abandoned homesites, vacant lots, roadside ditches. This class of roses developed mainly in the period 1890-1930. I don't know of any hot pink ramblers, but someone will. It's pretty! |
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| You know, after michaelg's post, I went to the wikipedia page for "Rosa Hybrid Wichurana" and was considering Excelsa as a possibility. I will have to pull apart a bloom and see what the centers really look like, to see if they have a white tone to them. I do believe that it resembles the pictures on HMF. I had been googling multiflora hybrids as per the suggestions for the rose in the "species rose" thread, but had not considered searching for Wichurana Hybrids. It looks like rain and I have so much to do outside, but I am considering cutting off a sample of her blooms/leaves and walking down to the Wyck gardens this afternoon to see if anyone there may be able to identify her. Maybe I can beat the rain and still get some work done here. Thanks so much to both of you for your time! I like Excelsa and would be happy if that was what she was! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Wyck Historic Rose Garden
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| One thing that throws me off is I am not sure I would describe it as red. I am pretty good "talking" color, but not so good when it come to the subtleties of talking and describing "Rose Colors". Maybe what I see as hot pink is red in rose-speak. Some of the pictures I see are certainly what I would call red, others seem closer to my rose, or more of a hot pink. Taking into account the difference for photography, it could still be. |
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| Did you go to Wyck Gardens? What did they say? |
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| getting ready to go right now. will let you know if there is anyone there who knows/has suggestions. |
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| I would call it a "cerise". The most difficult part of describing the color is remembering what was "red" or "scarlet" to eyes a century ago. Nineteenth Century "brilliant yellow" appears like old, yellowed floor wax to 21st Century eyes. It's rather amazing what old descriptions of "scarlet" look like today. Kim |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Fri, Jun 1, 12 at 17:17
| Yes, they used to call all sorts of roses "red" or "yellow" which we would now call dark pink or pale cream (think of 'Safrano'!). Just as now, some folks call roses "blue" which of course do not have any blue on them whatever - they are all mauve/grey. If a real blue rose is ever developed, rose growers in the 22nd century will be as confused as we are when they read old 21st descriptions of certain roses as "blue". Jackie |
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| I went down to Wyck yesterday, but unfortunately the horticulturalist was not in. The woman I spoke to (who runs the vegetable garden there- not the roses) did give me her card and said I could email the pictures, which is what I will do. If I can arrange it with the horticulturalist I'll bring her a cutting to see in person if possible. I did walk thru the rose garden, and even though it was past it's prime there were still some blooms. I wish I could have attended their rose symposium a couple weeks ago! I took some pictures while there and when I have a chance I'll share them. Like I said, not in full flush, but they give an idea of the space and layout of the gardens. I did notice when I went to get a sample of the blooms and leaves yesterday that this rose is only blooming on last years branches, no buds on the new canes. Does this mean it only blooms on old wood? I agree about the difficulty describing color. I do think cerise could be the best way to describe it. I did open one of the blooms I cut to take with me yesterday and it does have white at the base of the petals, like Excelsa was described. |
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| Yes, the old ramblers only bloom on spurs from canes that have been through a winter. If you don't have a big tree or other large space to grow it in, you can install a pillar and control the size of the plant by removing all the old wood after blooming, then tying the new canes in over the summer, spiralling. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Sat, Jun 2, 12 at 12:46
| Congratulations on having such a beautiful rose! It looks like Excelsa to me, too. If I were you I would get it out of that pot, and into the ground, in the sun near a tree or pillar or trellis or building for it to grow on - that way it can establish more roots before Winter, and then next year look out! I love ramblers - here is a picture of my Dawson's 'Apple Blossom' climbing up our crab apple tree: Jackie |
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| Great picture! What a beautiful scene! I totally agree on the pot! I have 9 (i think, might be missing one by memory... way too many) still in pots to be planted! I never rooted roses before that bunch two winters ago and had almost all root, so I had a bunch of plants. Some doubles. I rooted them in the late summer/fall and grew them under lights all winter, then set them out in the spring into gallon pots. All grew. I potted them into bigger pots to overwinter as I had no place to put them anyway. All lived. Then last summer I hoped to see at least one bloom on something, but not a one!! They were all marked, but some I was not so sure on. This year, every one of them finally bloomed!! (I have a couple more to id, BTW.) I have put a couple in the ground and have arranged places for others and I totally agree they need to be put in asap. I was not ready for all the new growth, way more growth than the first summer. I should have been as I know they put down great root systems, but was not thinking straight and was sure they would have been in by now. Part of the problem is me having to be very strategic on placement due to sun, living in a rental space, and having to arrange pillars. Exactly what you suggested, Jacqueline, the pillar is what I need to work out for this one. The yard has some existing "pillars" old fence posts from long gone fences, I assume. There are two square shaped holes in the existing stone wall bordering a walkway, which in my rampant imagination like to think held 4x4's that once were pillars of an arbor. Getting new 4x4's in there would be perfect, except for the existing plantings nearby, and the cost. Mainly the cost, and how to get it done right. I think it looks easier said than done, and I am doing this by myself, mostly, and have not really figured out a way to do it. Especially the cost to me being as I don't even own the place! I am always freaking about about where to plant stuff as I am never sure if a new tree is going to be cut down, or if I trellis something on the fence or house if some dudes will show up in a big truck marked "new fence guys" or "gutter install". Maybe not likely but has happened and never ends up well for whatever is planted nearby. Nobody working here seems to give a crap if nobody is watching them who they are actually paid by, I don't think. You can not imagine how many damn branches the cable and phone guys have ripped off the holly tree. You would think by now they could reach the damn pole with one side being bare! But, no! Every time, they find the need to tear off another branch. WTF? Drives me insane!! Earlier this season I went out front after roofers were here to find a big hatchet in the garden bed out front. Thrown from the roof! Right thru the main arm of a low growing conifer I had just moved there trying to save it from an ivy ridden spot. Chopped it right off. Pretty much a goner now, it is. They even left the hatchet behind! They threw it so far away they must have forgotten about it. Brand new, it was, too. Aside from a little tar, perfect condition. Um, and sharp! I added it to my garden tools and used it a week later to chop out two stumps, so something good came of it. Sort of. Oh well, that is the chance I take gardening here. Either way, I agree they need to get out of the pots asap! Working on that today, along with the long list of other chores in the garden. I have a spot that could be great for this climber, unfortunately I designated it as the one spot for the trash cans dedicated to the downstairs neighbors compost leaves. I got tired of them on the patio so moved them behind the fireplace by an existing pillar. The area needs some serious work, but it can be done. Hopefully in time to get this in the ground and running really soon! |
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