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| Hi everyone, I usually am on the fruits and orchard forum and am a newbie to roses.
If roses are anything like fruit--well its already 90 plus degrees here outside Washington DC (I'm in northern Virginia) making it way too late for bare-rooted plants. Is there a good source for roses growing in pots or wait until next year? I am willing to prudently water while getting established in suboptimal weather. I'd love to get started now as I may be moving away from family after this year and would love to get them some roses established. Parents love intense fragrance... running short list: Fragrant Cloud, Dolly Parton, Honeysweet, Mr. Lincoln, Just Joey, Fragrant Plum, other random ones from this list I've cross referenced with gardenweb forums to see which ones come up fragrant lists here too: http://www.bhg.com/gardening/flowers/roses/fragrant-garden-roses/#page =1 I figure I should have ordered for spring planting though if I wanted quality and reputable selection... any places I should call around? |
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- Posted by PersianMD2Orchard none (My Page) on Fri, Jun 22, 12 at 5:16
| Gertrude Jekyll also on running list. Any guidance on if any are better for my humid region would be good also. Also not looking for anything that gets massive, but can be kept pruned to say 3-4 feet would be ideal, but I can work with 5-6 feet if need be. |
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- Posted by grandmothers_rose z6b VA (My Page) on Fri, Jun 22, 12 at 5:49
| If your parents are willing to spray a fungicide (think Bayer Advanced Disease Control) you have many more choices. You have the same climate as me, Olga_6b, and Hartwood and just about every HT or Austin needs to be sprayed to get any blooms past the spring flush. Old Garden Roses which have been growing before 1900 can be more blackspot resistant. Olga has a nice list on her gardenweb member page. I grew Fragrant Cloud, Double Delight and Olympiad several years ago as a no-spray roses, and they slowly declined over 3 years until I pulled them out. FC and DD were lovely and had a wonderful scent. |
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| I've planted plenty of new roses in summer. Lots and Lots and Lots of water is key. Your plants will tell you. As soon as they think about wilting, more water (don't drown them of course!) My ground is sand and air is dry, so I water new roses in summer 1-2x a day. Any other ground or level of humidity would make that amount different. My two Just Joeys have no fragrance - FYI. For me it's definitely a "who cares" - as they are unbelievaable. Other very fragrant modern roses I'd recommend: Chrysler Imperial (red)
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| Ditto to what Grandmother's Rose said. The roses on your list will need to be sprayed biweekly with a fungicide to grow & bloom well. A short, no spray rose available locally (Meadows Farms nurseries has them in stock) is the Drift series. Alas, Drift roses don't have much scent. But dang are they healthy! So you're choosing between scent and ease of care. Look into fungicide regimens and think whether your parents would keep that up long term. Merrifield Garden Centers have a decent selection of potted HTs if that's what you really want. |
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- Posted by PersianMD2Orchard none (My Page) on Sat, Jun 23, 12 at 7:18
| Thanks so much guys. I'm going with: Fragrant Cloud I think I can get them past the heat with good watering and such... I'm more concerned about if I can keep these all as compact as I want with judicious pruning. slightly under 3x3 feet would be ideal. They'll be getting 8 hours of sun and I think most of them left to their own vices top off at 4-6 feet--so I think it's possible. If any of them get out of hand or don't produce scent in my climate settings, they might get donated to friends. |
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- Posted by PersianMD2Orchard none (My Page) on Sat, Jun 23, 12 at 7:24
| In terms of spraying, we all knew going into this you can't count on no spray in this humidity if you're trying to get fragrant roses! I'm strongly for no spray with all my edibles--we use good plant hygiene, monitoring, and cultivar selection suited for the climate as the preventative. But with roses, well we aren't going to EAT them. So yup we're willing to employ the same strong preventative routine, and have targeted disease specific spraying as it comes. I'm so excited to get these roses going! I can almost smell them now after looking at all the beautiful pics of them online. |
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- Posted by flaurabunda 6a, Central IL (My Page) on Sat, Jun 23, 12 at 11:32
| I have 2 on your list; Double Delight and Madame Hardy. You will not be disappointed in the amount and quality of fragrance in either. I love both! I will say that growing Double Delight no-spray might pose a challenge. Madame Hardy, on the other hand, should do spectacular--but good luck keeping MH to a small, confined space after a year or two. I am currently training mine up our 2-story house and I have to cut her back viciously after her 1 and only spring flush. MH will bloom on the laterals that come off the old wood, so for a maximum bloom in the spring you'd want to leave as much old wood as you can tolerate. |
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| The hybrid teas on your list won't do well kept at 3' tall. In my area, they get to 6' - 7' tall. You may be able to keep the rest smaller, but I'll wait to her from others who grow those varieties. The information on keeping them small is important, we could have provided this information sooner. |
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- Posted by PersianMD2Orchard none (My Page) on Sat, Jun 23, 12 at 20:05
| I have some space for transplanting them for any that get out of hand or I may end up actually be happy with 6 feet tall too. I'm pretty judicious about pruning though as I already do fruit growing in compact areas you're not supposed to... fragrance experimenting most important for now trumps all, rest is just would be nice. Most seem listed at 4-6 feet, with the Autumn Damask I'm hearing can be kept at 3-4 feet. I wonder if the 8 hours of sun will be a bit much for wanting to keep them small though. But we'll see. If there's any that are real winners for that area both in developing a nice fragrance in the microclimate+size, I'll keep them and get more/make cuttings, and transplant the rest elsewhere. Thanks for the heads up about the lateral blooms on the MH. |
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- Posted by PersianMD2Orchard none (My Page) on Sun, Jun 24, 12 at 7:49
| Going to start looking into the fragrant minis as well... may have underestimated difficulty of taming a rose. |
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