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| Inspired by the post on purple and lavender roses,and desirous of adding more to my garden,I thought I'd ask around about these three lavender ones. I have Lavender Dream (a very young plant) and Yesterday (growing in BAD soil, I moved it to better conditions). I love the way both cover themselves in starry flowers during the spring flush. How does Escapade compare? Of the three, which is the best? Which of them is the best re-bloomer? How big do they get as mature plants?What are their habits as mature plants? I'd love to hear some opinions. My garden is in Italy, probably about zone 8, hot and dry in summer,dank in winter, but not very cold by USA standards. Thanks in advance for your input. bart |
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| Hi Bart! Comparing Yesterday and Lavender Dream to Escapade is like comparing apples to oranges. The first two are more like hybrid musks or hybrid multifloras with smaller flowers in very large clusters. They are more shrub-like, delivering masses of flowers like hydrangeas. Escapade can almost be thought of like a lilac-pink Iceberg. Its creator, Jack Harkness, wrote in his wonderful book, Roses, that it was his favorite of all of his roses, though it is a fairly difficult color to sell to most people. Its flowers are larger, in smaller clusters. They are open, semi double to double and it displays its stamen proudly. For me, it's more upright, and a floribunda as opposed to a hybrid musk, if that makes any sense. My experience with the two smaller flowered ones are they are a bit more mildew resistant than Escapade, and are better used as flowering shrubs in a border where they may throw themselves everywhere, producing their splashes of flowers where they will. Escapade can be grown that way or placed in a rose bed, as has a much "better behaved" habit. If it helps, though I've dealt with all three, Escapade is the only one in my current garden. I've loved it since first encountering it in the early 80s and it has been in every garden since. I raised my Little Butterfly from it. Little Butterfly is even more mildew resistant than its mamma. Not to disrespect either of the two smaller flowered ones. My personal favorite remains Escapade. Kim |
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| I only grow 'Lavender Dream,' but we have grown it for many years. I can tell you that it can become a very large plant, indeed. Here, on the middle row of plants, the big white thing is 'Sally Holmes' and the lavender/pink one plant to your right is 'Lavender Dream.' I have close-up photos of the bloom -- somewhere -- if needed. Jeri |
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| I also have Lavender Dream (which I bought after seeing Jeri's in a picture) and it's a very healthy and strong-growing plant. Last year the squirrels climbed up the pliable canes and ate all the leaves and flowers and shortened the canes off half the bush and the bush loved it! It came back fuller and larger than ever. This is one tough rose. For me its biggest flush is in the spring but I don't think it's fully mature yet. Ingrid |
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- Posted by barbarag_happy 8a SE VA (My Page) on Sun, Jun 17, 12 at 22:14
| Escapade is sublime, there's nothing quite like it! The semi-double blooms are a unique color, and it's a very graceful plant. I grew it in Texas and now here in SE Virginia. It's in a very prominent place and deserves it. Lavender Dream is so beautiful that I placed it in the center of my circle garden, where it has spread to easily 6 foot across and is almost always in bloom. Since it's so healthy, we have added it to the organic rose garden at the Virginia Zoo (replacing a grouping of Pavement Rugosas which failed to thrive). The Columbus Park of Roses in Columbus, Ohio, have planted a long row of Lavender Dream at the entrance to their antique rose garden, in an area with large trees and some shade. LD is growing and blooming well there, what a rose! |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Mon, Jun 18, 12 at 0:24
| Lavender Dream; very pretty, but looks like it can take up some real estate! |
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| My Yesterday does well in quite a bit of shade. Looks good with Midnight Blue. |
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| It should do beautifully in some shade, it has MUCH multiflora in it. Multiflora is the primary source of shade tolerance in modern roses. Kim |
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| Thank you,everybody.This is very helpful; good to know that Lav Dream may well get very big for me. Definitely getting more of them! After reading Kim's opinion of Escapade I'll have to try that. (by the way, Kim, I got Little Butterfly from Bierkreek; very pretty already, even though it's only in it's first season in my garden!)Am I correct in assuming that the habit of Escapade is more or less that of Iceberg? Because sadly on HMF there are no whole-plant pictures of Escapade, whereas there are of Iceberg. To my mind, whole-plant pictures are the most valuable of all, to help one decide on where to place a thing in one's garden...regards, bart |
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| Bart, take a look at another of Cowlishaw's roses, Forever Royal - another stunning purple which is neater than Rhapsody in Blue. Style roses or C&K Jones sell them and will ship to europe. Am getting rather obsessed with Mr.Cowlishaw;s efforts. Must, must stop this purple stage (although, having just aquired a new salvia, Nachtvlinder aka nightmoth and baptisia purple smoke.......) |
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