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Sombreuil?

Posted by cjrosaphile z8 Pacific NW (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 23, 12 at 15:53

Two years ago I bought a Sombreuil from Heirloom. It has failed to thrive and is very small. Is this normal for this rose? I have over 50 roses and know what to do with them. Just curious about others experiences.


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RE: Sombreuil?

You're talking about the Hybrid Wichurana climber, right? The one classed now by ARS as a Large-Flowered Climber??

I have a pretty good idea how big it was when you got it. How big is it now?

It's a pretty vigorous rose, and while I wouldn't expect it to be mature 'til it was perhaps 4 years old (or even older) you should by this time have a reasonably substantial plant.

Does it bloom?
And -- just out of sheer, roaring curiosity, are they selling a V.I. version of it???

Jeri


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RE: Sombreuil?

IMHO, I usually add a year to the "sleep, creep, leap" expectation for my bands from Heirloom. I like the company and their roses, but most of the time their bands are slower to grow than other bands for nearly any rose I plant. That would mean in my estimation you're still in the "sleep" year, and as Jeri says, you won't hit maturity till 4 years from now. My Sombreuil (or whatever it really is - Colonial White?) is going on 4 years old and only now has made a respectable bush much less a climber, though not in optimal sun. Mine was from Chamblees, FWIW.

Cynthia


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RE: Sombreuil?

If it is trying to flower, don't let it. There are limited resources in a small plant. You can either choose to let it use them to flower, or grow. Which is more important to you at this time? Kim


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ALL of the plants of that climber now in commerce go back, eventually, to the plants grown at Roses Of Yesterday And Today. So they're all really the same plant -- tho of course, a budded one takes off faster, and an own-root one slower.

With this cultivar, the own-root plant WILL catch up with the budded one, and perhaps even out-last it in the long haul.

You just have to give it time. We planted our first Sombreuils in 1987, and two of them are still with us. One of those will be pulled up soon, split into multiple plants, and re-planted, somewhere. I wouldn't be without it.

Jeri


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RE: Sombreuil?

  • Posted by TNY78 7a-East TN (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 25, 12 at 22:41

I received a bareroot Sombreuil last year by accident (it was suppossed to be Souv de la Malmaison), and had to relocate it while dorment. Last year it grew very fast and threw out 5 foot long canes, this year nothing. It seems to have stalled out...no flowers, no new growth. I think its just a very quirky rose. I have we both have luck with it next year :)

Tammy


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RE: Sombreuil?

I received it as Maitland White. Took me awhile to figure out what I had. It ended up being two plants, and I have them in large pots. They haven't quit blooming since they were potted up. I love everything about this rose except the prickles.


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