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What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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zaphod42 SE WI 5b (
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Wed, Jun 6, 12 at 16:11
| So, I started buying roses about four years ago. Before jumping in, I lurked around gardenweb and asked some questions and drew a line in the sand that I would avoid HT's and Knockouts. I am holding strong on the Knockouts, but have decided to try some HT's. I would love some assistance and guidance from those with experience.
Here's the background info.
-Looking for two that will go together.
-Currently I have quite a few OGRs and Austens and a couple floribundas. I've a cottage garden style where most of roses are sandwiched in with perennials. Would need a HT that might kinda fit with the style.
-Some disease resistance. They will go in the no-spray area of the garden near the patio where people and dogs hang out.
-Open to color. 4.5 ft high max.
-Was looking at the Paul McCartney rose as comments indicated it was shrubbier/ fuller in nature than the standard HT. Is that true?
-Doesn't need to be a cutting flower. I don't take flowers inside due to my husband's allergies. Just enjoy them outside. |
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RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| I too, have old garden roses, no spray, easy to care for, but was given Tropicana as a gift from a friend. So far so good, beautiful blooms, I haven't sprayed, and am really quite enjoying this rose. It sure does have thorns, though! I understand lots has been accomplished regarding black spot, diseases, etc., and when I find some that fill this criteria, will most likely grow more - they are beautiful! |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| Pink Promise is a winner for me, heavy bloomer all season long, with beautiful blooms that look like sugar confections. It gets blackspot in my no-spray garden, but holds onto its leaves better than some of the other Hybrid Teas. It's a vigorous rose, 4 feet tall here. It's a fantastic Hybrid Tea for a cold zone. The fragrance is like apple with a hint of Tea Rose. Sheer Bliss is another beautiful Hybrid Tea, with lovely porcelain blooms, and great fragrance. It shrugs off winter here, is 3 1/2 to 4 feet tall. It's also a good bloomer and vigorous. Perfume Delight is somewhat new to the garden, planted last year, but it has been excellent so far. Frederic Mistral and Liv Tyler are great roses, as well. Pink Promise pics:
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RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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Hey me too. I have tons of Earthkinds and antiques, Buck shrubs, and few glorious floribundas-- Hot Cocoa, Ebbtide, Playboy, Lavaglut and Escapade. But HTs? I'm a hold out, all I have is Oklahoma. I really want some glorious blooms-- very fragrant-- to cut for the house. AND I'm even prepared to spray since I know that roses which are both fragrant AND resistant are rare indeed. Chrysler Imperial is at the top of my list, I've grown it before and I love it. Feedback welcome on my other 2: Frederic Mistral and Yves Piaget. What a trio they'll make, pink, deep rose and deepest red! YAHOO! |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| There are a few hybrid teas recommended for cold areas here too; Augusta Luise (aka Fox-Trot), Hanne and on the optimistic side Peace and Ingrid Bergman. With good snow cover in winter and warm summers HTs often do well. A few modern shrub roses worth trying; Aloha, Chinatown, Elmshorn, Feuerwerk, Fruhlingsduft, Romanze, Sleeping Beauty (aka Dornr�schen), and Westerland. They are often forgotten or ignored by those who grow old rose varieties, but they are really worth a second look. |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| I've had good luck with MacCartney Rose----Lafter is very good also in my nospray garden---- Florence |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| Frederic Mistral is hardy here, and a lovely bloomer. It's about 2 1/2 feet wide, and about 2 feet tall. Repeat bloom is good. The blooms are large and fragrant with a raspberry type of scent. It gets blackspot in my no-spray garden; however, it's vigorous and sturdy. Yves Piaget is new to the garden, planted last spring. The blooms are really beautiful with a rich color and very fragrant. It's great to add a burst of color in the garden/landscape. Liv Tyler is very fragrant; it's relatively new to the garden, but repeated well its first summer. I think the fragrance was strong enough to waft. A sturdy rose, good grower so far. |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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- Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
Wed, Jun 6, 12 at 21:52
| Go for it! 1. HTs are not the hot house flowers everyone seems to think they are. 2. No matter what zone you're in every yard has micro climates and I'll bet you already know where your hot and cold spots are in yours. 3. You've gotten some good suggestions but talk to people locally who grow roses. A good nursery or a rose society will know which ones do best in your area. They'll also be able to give you better information about how a rose will grow in your area. Something that only gets to 4ft. for me might be 6 or 7 feet in CA so no one would think to suggest it for me if I say I want a 4ft rose. There are also different strains of diseases and what might be clean for me wouldn't necessarily be so for you because you might have a different strain of black spot than mine. 4. I know a lot of people who live in WI that grow beautiful HTs! |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| I am in the same zone as you. I have a few hybrid teas. Elle, Remember Me, Gold Medal, Fragrant Cloud & Tiffany have done well and don't get too tall or leggy for me. Miss All American Beauty is also a good one here. I do spray, but these ones don't tend to be affected if I get lax on the spraying. My roses with the biggest blackspot problems are Disneyland (floribunda & may get dug up soon) Abraham Darby (Austin), & Melody Parfume (Grandiflora, I will always have because of color & fragrance). My absolute favorites here are Sunset Celebration & Double Delight. I also planted Sheila's Perfume last year & am in love with this rose & its fragrance. So far it is doing great, but I can't tell you size or hardiness since it was such a mild winter last year. The other roses I have had around 6-8 years. Lets see I also have Paradise & Electron. Paradise is healthy & bushy, but my Electron has really been kind of a puny slow grower. I just moved it this spring, so we'll see how it does in its new home. I have Tropicana. It has gotten really tall this year, but I think that is a fluke from the mild winter. It tends to be leggy for me though. Oh, and Dolly Parton is another bushy one. Hope some of this info is helpful! Again, I spray (fungicide only) pretty routinely (except when its too hot &/or I am too lazy), so I can't really comment on those issues. mel |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| Krista_4 - Helpmefind lists Yves Piaget at a 7b. Is that incorrect or are you using extreme measures to keep it alive through the winter? |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| Are you guys doing a lot of winter protecting? I like Remember Me, Dolly Parton and Fragrant Cloud, but they are all 7Bs. My idea of winter protection is to toss a couple shovelfuls of mulch or dirt on the base of the plant. |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| I put put some mulch or soil at the base of the plant, mound it up a bit, that's all. I do this for the others I mentioned, as well. Yves Piaget is somewhat new to the garden, time will tell if it's as hardy as Frederic in my garden setting. Frederic is very tough, Pink Promise and Sheer Bliss as well. |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| Zaphod, I'm a zone south of you--our area is the cusp of 5b/6a. I have Tropicana, Paradise, and Electron that were mentioned above. Tropicana sprawls in my yard--I don't think she will be able to keep herself confined to the size you'd like. It's also the biggest single disease problem I have...but when she's pretty, she's oh-so pretty and the scent is powerful. Paradise blooms like a rose on steroids. Big, FAT steroids. Electron grows well, but seems quite slow between flushes. I do not do any winter protection. Every year I tell myself that I'm GOING to do some, and then I get lazy and do nothing. Don't forget that the default (on HMF) on some of those listings is 7b--even though there are folks who grow some of those in lower zones. If you find one that strikes your fancy, click the "Gardens" tab and see if there's anyone near you or if it's grown in a lot of other zone 5 gardens. |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| I plant the rose graft about 4-6 inches below the soil surface. Sometimes I mound soil around them in the fall. Sometimes I am just lazy & let the oak leaves in our yard accumulate around them. On a normal winter, I end up cutting many of my roses to around 12 inches tall in the spring. mel |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| Anybody down here in Texas grow hybrids that are disease free? So far my Tropicana and Don Juan look fine! |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| I'd suggest timing how long the leaves stay wet in your yard--if they dry out in a couple of hours, you shouldn't have any issues with BS. But, if they stay wet for 6 or 7 hours, this is long enough for BS spores to germinate. |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| I've grown Yves Piaget for several years. Each year he gets wider and wider. His bottom canes are huge. He seems very healthy and hardy. Limited winter die back. Easy to shape as long as he has lots of room. Bush has a diameter of about 6'. I will always have this rose. The color of the blooms, how long they last on the bush, the aroma, he is perfect for my garden. So far he has survived temps between 0 and 10. I don't consider this rose an HT, to me it is more of a shrub. But so far it is a 10 in my garden. |
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| For winter hardiness, I always look to see where the rose was bred. I know Remember Me was bred in N. Scotland. That should be a pretty good hint. He's a beauty here in my garden :) |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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- Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 10, 12 at 12:10
| You can also check who is growing it on HMF. Look at the "Gardens" tab and see how cold a zone it's growing in. |
RE: What the heck. I'm going to buy a couple HT's.
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| Elina and Mr. Lincoln are my only two HTs, and I also want to try a few more for blooms for cutting. Elina is a beautiful yellow, no fade huge blooms, nice scent. It is my only rose that blooms heavily in our heat and that the blooms don't shrink in the heat. It blooms in heavy flushes. Mr. Lincoln, while the looms were wonderful and long-lasting in the vase, was an ugly bush. Molineux in another thread says he can be made attractive by judicious pruning. |
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