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What's with these yellow leaves?

Posted by laura55 z8 SC (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 18, 12 at 22:35

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting these yellow leaves on my roses? It is starting already and last year within a month or so I lost half the leaves on my plants. In order to try to help the plants, this year in April I added Ironite Plus and also Rosetone (suggested by a neighbor).
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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

Well, for one thing, the area you showed -- that is blind growth. It never will produce a bloom, and should be removed, hoping that a "real" stem will grow there.

In my experience, the leaves on blind growth age quickly, and sometimes are "ground zero" for spider mite infections.

But even on "real" canes, leaves DO age. Eventually, they yellow, and fall away. I don't see any disease here. Just foliage that needs to go bye-bye. :-)

Jeri


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

What Jeri said. Leaves aren't forever. They have a finite life. Being buried within the plant where they are shaded, the plant begins reabsorbing the sap from them, causing them to yellow. It's very similar to how deciduous trees' foliage changes color in autumn, only this is done by roses and other plants on a continuous basis. Keep watering and feeding as you have and things should be OK. Kim


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

Thanks for your responses. I forgot to mention a couple of things. These are knockout roses. Also, when I pulled back the mulch to put on the Ironite Plus and Rosetone, it appears that the roots are coming close to the surface for some reason. What would cause that? Also wondering why these Knockouts are supposed to be so carefree and the ones I see on medians next to the highway are doing super, but my that are given TLC have the yellow leaves. Never notice them on others.


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

Knockouts are disease-resistant in most cases, but they are not immune to the normal life-cycle of roses. Blind growth happens. Just remove it. Leaves age and fall away. It is normal. (My hair is getting greyer all the time, too.)

There's only one sort of rose that does not age and change in this manner: R. plastica.

For the rest, they are living things. There's nothing wrong there.

Jeri


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

Can you tell us how you are watering the plants? Roots near the top may be because of shallow watering, but need more information, please.

Also not sure why the Ironite was needed.


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That was a good one, Jeri.....I have a couple of neighbors with far too many R. plasticas in their front lawn.


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

Under a thick mulch, roots will normally come to the surface. But, as Diane says, it's possible to overwater.

Don't add iron unless the new growth comes in pale with green veins.

Areas of crowded undersized leaves that are not producing strong shoots and bloom indicate that the cane should be cut back to healthy wood.

I agree that the yellow leaves are just senile leaves with no signs of disease.


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

Thanks for your responses. The reason I am giving them Ironite is because a friend suggested it when I told her I get yellow leaves. She gives it to her roses. Wow, I never thought that I could possibly be overwatering them. Always thought I was underwatering them. I drag the hose out a couple times a week and water underneath each bush for 2 minutes. They would usually get hit with the overhead irrigation for the lawn, but I try to avoid ever using that. Hasn't been on in over a month.

I've alway felt that they probably need to be properly pruned, but have heard that knockouts don't really need that. That said, I do believe that there is a lot of center growth that should be cut out, but I just don't know how to do it for sure.


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

Laura, unless you're whacking major sections of the plant away, you can't really HURT them by removing what you feel isn't necessary. However, the rose probably feels differently than you do. The plant wouldn't have generated the growth if it didnt' "need" it. Every one of those leaves functions to shade the plant from too intense sun; permit and fascilitate transpiration of water from the root tips to the leaves (flow of sap); and, as long as they are green, photosynthesize food necessary to support the plant. Yes, some of it may be 'blind growth', meaning it may never flower, but where is it written that EVERY shoot of any rose MUST bear flowers? Flowering is ovulation, reproduction. Every organism requires a minimum threshold of nutrition and support to be able to mature to reproductive capacity. Every leaf generated by the plant was grown to provide support for the plant.

99.9% of the time, the plant is going to rebound from what you do with your pruning shears. Try not to cut more than a third of the total plant off and you really can't severely hurt it. But, every green leaf you remove is one less in the total required to produce the color display you're expecting. Those out on the streets probably perform differently from yours because they receive more heat...reflected from the asphalt and concrete they grow near and radiated long past the time the sun moves off those surfaces. I would expect them to probably flower more heavily than yours in a garden setting because to the street plants, it is a much hotter "climate" than your cooler beds. The hotter roses may also not experience as much potential disease and insect attacks as yours might, for the same reason. Where they are, it is significantly hotter and probably drier because that reflected/radiated heat dries the surrounding air, making the conditions less favorable for bugs and fungi.

Comparing your Knock Out in your garden bed to the ones growing as street or parking lot plants is quite difficult because all that solar collecting hardscape probably makes a full zone difference in heat. Kim


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

Laura, No one suggested that you are overwatering. Diane commented that roots very close to the surface may be the result of shallow watering -- ie, not watering deeply enough -- especially if you have been watering too shallowly since the roses were first planted.

IMO, your observation concerning the shallow root systems may very well explain the yellowing leaves. It's difficult to give advice on watering without knowing the soil conditions. Considering that you garden in the sunny (often sultry) South, however, I think there's a VERY good possibility that your ongoing problems with yellowing leaves is indication that the roses are not receiving enough water. Any plant having shallow roots is going to require more water, especially where heat and intense sun are facts of life. If you increase your watering regimen now, you might avoid the extreme loss of leaves that you experienced last season.

Based on the foliage in your photos, I agree that the use Ironite is not warranted -- at least not on a routine basis.


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves? New Pics.

Here I am again. Since my last posting in June, I have received Yard of the Month in my neighborhood, and now my roses look like hell. The people in my previous posting told me not to worry, that leaves don't last forever and old leaves fall off. But I can't believe they should look like this. No one else in the neighborhood has such poor looking roses. I'm embarrassed to have that sign up and am ready go go hack down the roses now. Someone please help me before I do.
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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

So that it will all look better, just spend one morning deadheading the roses (no, you don't HAVE to deadhead Knock Outs--I'm just saying the roses will look better--get rid of the brown stuff!!!!) and carefully picking off all the yellow speckled leaves (have a trash bag there to toss them into). Takes time to do that, but everything will look better afterwards.

Just do that once after the spring bloom--and you will be surprised how much better the landscaping looks.

It is possible that after the next bloom cycle, you may have to repeat that process.

Just think of it as routine housecleaning in the garden.

Kate


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

I see that all the time on my roses in pots if they don't get enough water.


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RE: What's with these yellow leaves?

  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Fri, Jul 13, 12 at 7:13

For the most part those roses look healthy to me. Do deadhead them and take off the yellow leaves and clean up any that have fallen and that will neaten things up considerably. If you've been experiencing the high temperatures, like most of us have, that could be part of he problem. Keep them well watered and give them a break. They might just be suffering from heat stress.


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