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Bud stock

Posted by msjean Z6..NS...Canada (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 10, 12 at 8:40

Last year I planted the beautiful Pink climber Jasmina by my front door and she did well. This year, not knowing what to expect from her, I was amazed and pleased to see her grow and be so full of buds. I soon found out the new growth was from the budstock Rosa Multiflora...and had tons of tiny white flowers. I haven't t had any experience in this area before.....so I cut the long lanes down to the ground, and found Jasmina still alive and blooming . My question is.....if I keep the budstock canes cut to the ground....will they eventually just wither away ? and can Jasmina survive? Presently she looks healthy and is in bloom... I really don't want to dig her up and try to rip off the unwanted parts. The nursery I bought it from will send me a complimentary replacement in the spring...I appreciated that. Has anyone any experience in this ?


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RE: Bud stock

The answers to your questions are "no", and "probably not". If you just cut the rootstock suckers off at the dirt they will just grow more, branch out, and get bigger, eventually overwhelming the scion (the rose bush you want).

You do not have to "dig her up" to get rid of the rootstock suckers. You just have to dig down in the dirt next to her where a rootstock cane was, and keep digging until you find the place where it is growing off the main trunk of the rose bush. Then you should cut if off flush with the main stem of the rose bush, leaving none of the rootstock cane (you may need to use a pruning saw). You need to do this with each of the rootstock canes. Then just cover up the hole(s) and water the bush. In the future, as soon as you see white flowers on a new cane, do the same thing. Good Luck!

Jackie


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When we obtained roses from Canadian nurseries, on Multiflora rootstock, we found that some of them suckered, not only up close to the plant, but 3 -- 6 -- 8-feet away. Removing suckers from the middle of pathways was a regular chore.

Even with roses on Dr. Huey, we found that some individual plants were so carelessly de-eyed that, in the end, it was better to just dig up the plant, trash it, and start all over with one that was not troubled in that manner.

I am very very glad not to be growing budded roses.

Jeri


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Suckers (once I found out what they were and where they came from) are the main reason I decided years ago to never plant a rose that was not on its own roots. Perhaps it is our benign climate, but root stock runs rampant here (especially Dr. Huey), and all of my budded roses sprouted rootstock suckers all of the time, and I got really tired of cutting them off. I must confess that I did purchase a tree rose a couple of years ago. It is planted in a prominent bed near our front door, and each time I pass it I examine it to see if it is sprouting suckers - so far it is OK. Life is too short for grafted roses!

I do understand that in some places like Florida, grafting onto a rootstock (in Fla I think it is fortuniana) is the only way to have successful roses, but absent a reason like that, it is not worth it for me. I am happy to wait the extra year or two for my roses to take off, and enjoy knowing that they have a life expectancy many many times that of grafted roses. Patience is a virtue.

Jackie


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  • Posted by msjean Z6..NS...Canada (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 10, 12 at 14:29

Thank you for the info.....I'll try removing the suckers. :)


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  • Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 10, 12 at 16:22

If you have some heavy gloves, you can try grabbing the sucker canes and rocking the cane back and forth and pulling them out. Pulling works vastly better than cutting. Of course you must be careful not to pull the rose out of the ground. You may find the sucker growing from a root below ground rather than from the area below the bud union. If you are patient and a little persistent it can be cleaned up. Good luck!


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I was going to say - pull that sucker out, don't cut it or try to dig it out. You may need to keep an eye on whether the suckers come back out, but eventually, you and the budded rose will win.

Every rose I have is grafted with the bud union buried - almost 90 of them and I've had them for 10+ years. I can count on one hand the number of shoots I've had to pull up.

You need to be careful and make certain that they aren't genuine basals from the bud union (if you've buried it). I have some Scentimentals and George Burns's that have sent out shoots 2-3 feet from the center of the rose. They've bloomed, so I know they're not Dr Huey suckers, but it was really a question before they bloomed.

I say let the suckers get to about 3-4 feet. If they haven't bloomed by then, you can rest assured they're Dr. Huey's. The extra height will give you better leverage to actually rip the things out from the root structure, increasing the odds that no more suckers will appear.

I'm not sure about multiflora root stock - I don't have any of those.


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