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Pleine de Grace - an insane mistake, more snivelling
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campanula UK Cambridge (
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Fri, Jul 27, 12 at 18:12
Walking about the allotment, I had a good look at PdG, thinking, 'By Gum, that's doing well. I have been faintly aware of it's growing (large)but in the summer hurly burly....well, things get forgotten. However, during my evening browsing (at roses) the actual size of PdG popped up and I almost fell off my chair in shock. 6m. Yep, 6 metres - I had allocated about 1.2m for it!
I think what happened was that last year was my first order from a European nursery and in my fevered state (so many roses not available in the UK) I went on a mad spree and certain details slipped my mind. Even so, I am almost in meltdown wondering where it can go - it obviously can't stay where it is - next to a tiny double white burnet rose - in fact, I cannot imagine fitting anything of 6m at the allotment -I have an ayreshire but that scrambles about practically on the ground and I am fairly anxious about that one even. There are no handy big trees (my little fruit trees would collapse with more that a small clematis, so that's out of the question. Anyone grow this rose? Any suggestions - am really, really not wanting to consign a beautifully healthy rose to the compost but I don't have many rosy friends and they are even less likely than me to take on a monster rose. |
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RE: Pleine de Grace - must be many clones
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| .....because checking on other sites for info, the size varies from 2.5 feet - 5 ft (Rogersroses), a giant 10ft shrub (David Austin) to 20ft (various HMF). Then, it is either once flowering or continuous, with a little fragrance or a strong old rose fragrance. Are we talking about the same roses. Lens songbird rose. Is there a climbing one? a miniature version? (clutching at straws) |
RE: Pleine de Grace - an insane mistake, more snivelling
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| At a friends to the north of here it is just enormous. She assumed otherwise also. I don't know what to say. I guess you'll either have to keep cutting or get rid of it. |
RE: Pleine de Grace - an insane mistake, more snivelling
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| If you had wanted it to get that big it would not have done so. |
RE: Pleine de Grace - an insane mistake, more snivelling
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| From what I can tell by looking it up, it is always a climber, and gets huge everywhere. It is confusing that HMF says it is a once bloomer, while Beales says it is continuous blooming. What has yours done re length of bloom? If it really is at least recurrent, it might get less "rare" - it is gorgeous. Of course, I am in CA and am used to large roses getting really huge here - almost always larger than they are said to. So, I guess either you should experiment with hard pruning, and see what happens, or dig it up and plant it somewhere next to a large tree or house. I have a neighbor who loves roses, and has dozens, all without ever learning very much about them. I have been able to find homes for some of my unwanted (only because of no space left) roses in her garden - I just volunteer to plant them in a suitable site for her, and so far in our climate they have survived and thrived, even without much care. Good Luck with this one- Jackie |
RE: Pleine de Grace - an insane mistake, more snivelling
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- Posted by minflick 9b/7, Boulder Creek, (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 30, 12 at 20:14
| Extreme newbie here - if the only problem with PdG is that it's too darned large - would it be a candidate for pegging of some kind? I saw that mentioned here (general Roses somewhere here in GardenWeb here, not necessarily THIS forum) - would that be a viable suggestion for you? If not, could you donate it to somebody's local garden? Or a school somewhere? |
RE: Pleine de Grace - an insane mistake, more snivelling
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| well, I think I am just going to sneak in a bit of guerilla planting around my local cemetary, or possibly on one of the municiple areas around my housing estate - it is one of those little white flowered hybrid musks which fit really well in an informal landscape and I will get a little secret thrill on my daily dogwalk. |
RE: Pleine de Grace - an insane mistake, more snivelling
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Here is a link that might be useful: guerrillagardening.org
RE: Pleine de Grace - an insane mistake, more snivelling
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| My 'Pleine de Grace' is about ten years old and is easily eight feet across and ten feet high as a shrub. It will climb a tree if given a proper location. Mine was planted next to a Juniper but I needed to direct it up the tree and tie it to the tree to get it started. I have never seen a second crop of blooms on mine and didn't know it was considered remontant. |
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