Planting a rose in the same hole another rose was removed from???

9 years ago

I have read in several books and articles that you should not plant a rose in a hole that once held another rose, at least for several years because the roots give off some sort of chemical that will cause the new rose not to prosper in that location?? Also it was said that should you attempt it you should replace all the soil in the surrounding area to prevent contamination? This all seems very extreme to me, have any of you experienced anything like this? I personally do not have enough garden space to just leave big gaps everywhere, or have less than desirable plants filling these places while I wait on the soil to filter these mysterious rose pheromones. It seems like most people on this forum wouldn't jive with that either ...... So, is this claim just bunk? I really hope it is .... I plan on moving a couple of roses next spring to make room for newer plants whom I would prefer to see in the star position. I would love any opinions or experiences on this topic! Thank you!

Jessica

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ken-n.ga.mts

9 years ago

For me, this claim is a bunch of crap. If I have a rose in my garden that is dug up for any number of reasons, a new one will go right back intro the same spot. The only prep that spot gets is turning the soil over to loosen it up and get rid of any roots that might be hiding. I've been growing roses 40+years and have never had any problem with putting a new rose into a spot where I just dug one up. Trust me, I'm picky. I've been exhibiting my roses since the late 1980's and if I had any problems with my planting holes I sure would have noticed it.

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henry_kuska
9 years ago
See the recent American Rose Society article on the subject.

http://www.ars.org/advances-in-understanding-rose-replant-disease/

Please keep in mind the old story about blind men that cannot move describing the elephant from where they are standing.

Here is a link that might be useful: link for above
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bart_2010
9 years ago
As far as I know, Rose Replant Disease is a definite issue in Europe; I gather it's particularly bad in England,but I've read that it -supposedly-is less of a problem in the USA. However,in any case, I would strongly advise you to amend the old rose hole with lots of new organic matter, and I'd change the soil, too.Every time I dig up a rose to move it, I always get left with a big, empty hole anyway...bart
buford
9 years ago
I'm with Ken. As long as you prepare the hole as you would with a new hole, you should be fine. We aren't growing 'crops' of roses, but putting them in their permanent place. Unless the former rose was diseased, I don't see the need to replace the soil. Just add some new soil or amendments.
henry_kuska
9 years ago
I wonder if it does not depend on the type of soil.(I have lots of clay) and possibly also on the temperature (the growth inhibitor may stay around longer in colder climates).

Title: "GROWTH INHIBITOR ACCUMULATES IN THE NUTRIENT SOLUTION OF CLOSED SYSTEM ROSE CULTIVATION"
"See:
http://www.actahort.org/books/697/697_66.htm

I follow Paul Zimmerman's advice.

http://paulzimmermanroses.com/care/planting-roses/rose-replant-disease/

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I recommend this summary:

http://www.marinrose.org/replantdisease.html
seil zone 6b MI
9 years ago
With my space constraints if I did that I'd never be able to plant another rose! I reuse holes all the time. I've never noticed any problem in doing so. I reuse pots and potting soils too. Same thing...no problems.
jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
9 years ago
I reuse holes too... I figure if one rose grew well so would another one...
Nori McKenna
last year
Has anyone been successful planting 2 roses in the same hole?
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
last year
At the same time?
james vellozzi
last year
I have to admit that i have been trying to get 2 climbers, blaze improved & white dawn to grow in a location adjacent an arbor where i previously had a perfume breeze climber. i removed the perfume breeze because it never attained the height i wanted relative to the arbor. It was in the location for 3 years.

This spring i ammended the soil with lots of compost, manure etc, and yet these 2 roses ( mentioned above) have been sitting there for months now. It’s like they are just in idle. I’m baffled why they won’t break new canes, show any development. Roses nearby are all exhibiting some kind of growth / change post flowering in late May/ June.

i have read about this as well, but i suppose without scientific data to completely answer our questions, well I suppose we remain in the dark. Go ahead and make your changes and see what evolves. good luck.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
last year
last modified: last year
First year sleep, second year creep, third year leap....or so goes the old adage concerning roses and climbers especially. I suspect your PB had not yet finished its leap phase unless it experiences die-back or just isnt a tall enough climber at best, and the same thing for your new climbers. They are an investment in time. How long have they been in this location?

When I was originally planning my arbour I started growing the climbers in pots to give them their sleep year while I building the structure. They could barewait to be out of their prisons!
james vellozzi
last year
I’ve read that perfume Breeze matures at about 6’ in height. I just got into climbing roses in the last 4-5 years so my knowledge is small. When i bought the perfume Breeze from home Depot i did not know what variety climber it was. That awful plant killing store just labeled it as a climber, and so I rescued the plant.

After 2 years of nice growth i finally figured out the name of the rose and was disappointed to learn it only tops out at about 6-8’ tall.

The white dawn and blaze improved werewe’re just planted this spring, April 2022. i certainly do not expect them to even reach 4-5’ but at least put on a few inches.

The reason I’m so baffled about there seemingly idle state is other roses newly planted first year this spring continue to show nice growth.

thanks so much.