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| Saw some mention of this rose the other day; very flattering. Then I caught some photos that are truly beautiful in that classic red hybrid tea sort of way. I don't have a lot of space, or money to budget, for that matter. I've been considering ordering Royal William for the spring. Would Pride of England be a worthy alternative? Can it handle heat? frequent rain? Anyone here have any experience growing it in the U.S.?
Trying to choose.... Mike |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Mon, Aug 8, 11 at 18:17
| Yes, according to HMF. They list the heat zones as 7 and warmer, which is a warmer lower number than most, and has no upper number, which is unusual. Also, if you look at the pictures on HMF, some are from Southern Spain. Jackie |
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- Posted by mike_in_new_orleans 9a/ coastal LA (My Page) on Mon, Aug 8, 11 at 22:51
| I hope you're right. I've seen some nursary catalogues, though, that routinely list roses' growing zones as between "whatever" to zone 10, yet I know some of those roses don't at all care for our zone 9a summers. The zones, by the way, are not a measure of how hot it gets. They are a measure of the average low annual temps. The recommendations, then, are extrapolations, guestimates of what regions might do in the summer based on those winter temps. But obviously regions can differ. A Puget Sound Washington State zone 8 is nothing like a mid-Alabama zone 8 as far as their summer conditions. Still, your observation about those rose photos from southern Spain sounds encouraging. Thanks. |
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| Not got any personal experience but I think it should be fine! |
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- Posted by sandandsun 9A (My Page) on Sun, Aug 14, 11 at 14:28
| I understand loving the reds. And I believe that I've correctly interpreted that you love fragrant roses as I do. I ran across a post which I cannot currently locate because I lost it while researching its information for clarification. The author recommended a red rose which holds in heat called Preference. Another post and Googled HMF reference Princesse de Monaco as this rose, but the author said it was a red floribunda. My research revealed that it was actually a red floribunda named Preference, "Meibionel." It isn't a HT and doesn't have HT blossoms and it has NO fragrance, but I thought that the reports of its heat tolerance, disease resistance, and constant bloom might interest you. HMF link below. Also, do you have Francis Dubreuil? I don't know about pot culture from personal experience, but he is fragrant and as an old tea takes the heat and humidity well here. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Meibionel
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- Posted by mike_in_new_orleans 9a/ coastal LA (My Page) on Sun, Aug 21, 11 at 23:00
| Still no one who has actually grown Pride of England? pity. Sandandsun, you are right, I particularly like fragrant reds. But it is a daunting task to find ones that won't shrivel in the heat and blue unattractively. I've got Chrysler Imperial, which is respectable but not as deep red as I like. Then there's Papa Meilland, which is deep deep crimson in our cooler months but still a bit faded most of the year and shrivels in no time unless I cut them and bring them in. Plus it is an awfully gangly plant. Ah well, I guess you can't have both long cutting stems and bushiness. ; ) I have Deep Secret, which is a terrific deep red shaded black on the outermost petals and intensely fragrant and disease-resistant to boot, but the blooms are at best barely 3 inches in diameter here, and it pouts from May well into October here, and the leaves and flowers both burn easily. Veteran's Honor is really a nice rose, and moderately fragrant, so I don't know why I haven't gone for it yet, other than that I grew it 10 years ago and am often more curious about new (to me). I did make the decision to plant Don Juan on my kitchen fence out back, so I am hoping that will satisfy my desire for fragrant deep red blooms. That is what made me willing to look at scentless roses. And Pride of England had so many accolades on Helpmefind.com. I am hoping it is distinctive enough from my other scentless reds --Olympiad, Vino Rosso, Red Intuition, and the minis--to be worth growing. Mike |
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- Posted by mike_in_new_orleans 9a/ coastal LA (My Page) on Sat, Oct 29, 11 at 8:17
| Just an update. Now that the weather has cooled down, Deep Secret has been one of the standouts in my garden! --especially as a cutting rose. Through exhibition stage it is just a beautiful hybrid tea. Then once fully open it is somewhat quartered like the English roses, and holds for a week, sometimes more. There's no way I can get rid of this one. I have to remind myself as it suffers through each summer that its really special in the cooler months. Maybe I'll move back to Washington State and take it with me. I'll bet it's PERFECT there! :) Well I got Don Juan from Chamblee's in late September. It already has 3 flower buds. Can't wait to see it grow in the spring. We don't really have any hard freezes here most winters, so these first flower buds will probably be fine. Still No One with any personal experience growing Pride of England? Please...? Still would love to hear your experience. I might order it in the spring; still undecided. Mike |
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| Sorry Mike. I can't give you any information about POE. I did want to say that if you pass up Vet's Honor too much longer you may not be able to get it at all. Those J&P roses may be in short supply with the bankruptcy problems. I finally bought my 2nd VH from Edmunds last year, and none too soon as this year they are not carrying it. POE may or may not be a good roses for your conditions, VH however IS. I have some huge fragrant blooms on mine now that are drop dead gorgeous with centers you could fall into and never come out of. Just a friendly nudge of encouragement.....Maryl |
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- Posted by roseblush1 8a/Sunset 7 (My Page) on Sun, Oct 30, 11 at 22:15
| Mike...... I live in a climate where I have very hot and very dry summers. I have found that roses with thick, or heavy, petal substance withstand the heat better than most roses. However, when you get that thick petal substance, you often have to sacrifice fragrance. Since I am not always putting my nose into roses, I am more than willing to sacrifice a sweet smelling rose in order to have a rose where the blooms don't fry almost as soon as they open. I see the roses on the plants more than I take time to smell them. You might want to read the site user COMMENTS for both of these roses on HMF and check the GARDENS where site users are growing it as you make your decision. Smiles, |
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- Posted by sandandsun 9A FL (My Page) on Tue, Nov 1, 11 at 0:09
| Hi Mike, Glad you got one you like. The Deep Secret HMF photos are beauties. Sorry Pride of England reports were not available. The reality is, I think, few if any can grow all the roses available and I (most I think) can grow few of all.... I appreciate but do not like Don Juan. I completely neglect mine and it blooms right through the summer. And when I don't dead head, the flowers "freeze dry" in the heat. From a distance the spent flowers look like blooms too, lol. Yes, Francis has little flowers and they don't last in the heat it's true. I've come to expect summer slumber from my roses since the summer rains have been Nino'd or Nina'd. When the afternoon rains were regular in the summer providing heat of the day cool down, the roses responded. But as I've said, the climate cycle has taken that away here for the last few years. I don't grow to cut or exhibit, I don't fertilize like some do or some recommend, and if I want larger blossoms I reduce overall bud count - nipping them in the bud literally. I like being outside with them - I think that's why I don't cut. Now to the real purpose of my post: why didn't you tell us what else you ordered/received this Fall? BTW, I think it was your recommendation that persuaded me to try Caliente. |
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- Posted by mike_in_new_orleans 9a/ coastal LA (My Page) on Tue, Nov 1, 11 at 17:00
| Thanks for your commments, roseblush1 and maryl. I did actually give my 2012 rose orders information on another thread here recently. Roseblush, I don't know if you were referring to that or not. It's not much, as I have neither much space nore much money. But I just acquired Don Juan and Quietness, as noted above. I'm waiting on ordering for spring until spring in order to give the local nurseries a shot at my business. Then I might order something. I'm definitely planning to buy another Peace rose, which I haven't grown in the past decade. I'm "probably" also going to get Buxom Beauty. Of course, spring will be too late for bareroot roses, but in my climate I often order potted roses, anyway. Maryl, I agree Vet's Honor is truly an excellent red rose. I have to say though that the color is not its best quality, to me. It is absolutely straight-up red, but not the richest red I've seen. the blooms, though, are huge, and consistently over excellent form. One thing that gives me pause is just how much space it will require, since it is such a robust spreading grower. the one source I still am aware of for it is K&M roses in Buckatuna, MS. A Great nursery! I can actually drive out there, though it would be a long day trip. I hesitate to get VH here, because the rootstock is fortuniana, which is great, but tends to produce even bigger rose bushes, and all mine are in pots, plus they don't have much space to spread out. I think Vet's Honor is such a well-established popular variety, that either JP will be back to selling it in a couple years when their bankruptcy reorganization is settled, OR other vendors will pick it up. Worst case scenario is that I'll have to wait until the patent expires; then we'll see other nurseries selling it. I know, a lot of nurseries are struggling, and some may not still be aorund, but I have to think there will continue to be a rose industry, and we might even see some newcomers in a few years when the economy eventually claws its way back. (knock on wood.) |
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- Posted by roseblush1 8a/Sunset 7 (My Page) on Tue, Nov 1, 11 at 22:35
| Mike... I guess I wasn't clear. If you look up 'Pride of England' on HMF and then click on the MEMBER COMMENTS tab, you will see comments about the rose that have been posted by site members. (The same for 'Royal William'). These posts are put up by people actually growing the rose. Also, you can click on the GARDENS tab, and see where people are growing it. Having site members post their experience with the roses they grow is one of the best things about HMF and I'd like to encourage you and everyone who reads this post to post information about how a given rose grows in their gardens. Just go to the rose page and click on MEMBER COMMENTS and then click the button near the top left POST COMMENT. These kinds of post really do help answer the "should I get X or Y" type of questions. You can use the same procedure of going to the rose page and clicking MEMBER COMMENTS to ask a question about a rose. The question and answer will stay on the rose page and other site members can see the information shared. Smiles, |
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- Posted by mike_in_new_orleans 9a/ coastal LA (My Page) on Thu, Nov 3, 11 at 21:27
| Thanks, Lyn. But I did understand your comments in the first place. I actually had read the HMF comments before I posted this thread question. I did not see any comments from anyone in or near my region, the South, so that's what I was hoping for. The comments were primarily European, so I was encouraged by Spanish growers'comments, but I am not sure how similar their growing conditions are to mine. |
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- Posted by sandandsun 9a (My Page) on Fri, Feb 17, 12 at 23:55
| See link below. Has anyone grown this for 3 or more years? Mike, |
Here is a link that might be useful: KORmiach
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| I have it, been growing it for a long time, a nice rose, great form and color, blooms on the smaller side. |
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- Posted by sandandsun (My Page) on Sat, Feb 18, 12 at 16:28
| Hi Steve, Thank you. Do you spray? Can you attest to its reputed disease resistance? Smaller blooms, as in? What about the fragrance? Thanks, |
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- Posted by sandandsun (My Page) on Sat, Feb 18, 12 at 17:17
| Wow, in TX's zone 8b (or at least it was, haven't checked it on the revised zone map). See link |
Here is a link that might be useful: Blooming in TX 2003
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| I grew a rose that I knew as Liebeszauber in my garden for around 4 years two houses ago. I remember it as being mostly upright, slightly spreading and tall, around 5.5 to 6 feet. The flowers were of good size and a nice shade of red, but not the largest of all the reds that I grew. There was fragrance, but it was not particularly strong compared to other roses. I was then living in an area where I never sprayed because I almost never saw any disease. We may have had 7 or so summer days when it reached 100 degrees or more, but the nights would cool down into the 50's at night due to our proximity to the Pacific. This rose was worth growing, but there were other reds that I preferred to this one (Veteran's Honor). |
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| Sandandsun, I do spray, but believe POE has better than average resistance.... |
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