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Your Opinion on These Four from Palatine

Posted by judith5bmontreal (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 30, 09 at 9:45

Before I send in my final order for Palatine, I was wondering if I could get some information on four of my choices (the rest are fairly new Freelanders, so I'll trial them for everyone :o):

Parole
Neptune
Jasmina
Lucille Ball

If anyone has any experience with these four roses, please chime in (and of course, pictures are always welcome!). Thanks so much.

Judith


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RE: Your Opinion on These Four from Palatine

I'll just warn you that Lucille Ball can be a bear to get through winters. Not a hardy rose at all, so really plan out a winter protection system for this rose.


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Neptune was one of the most disappointing roses we ever bought. The color is lovely,but it was very stingy with blooms and never really took off. We shovel pruned it after 3 years.


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Mike, what special winter protection measures do you take with 'Lucille Ball'?
-terry


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I can comment on only 2 of the 4 roses you're considering.

I'm now growing Parole (aka Buxom Beauty) on its own roots -- one of very few own-root HTs in my garden. It's been a slow grower and rather stingy of bloom. However, I'm impressed enough with this rose (& its fragrance!) that I too am ordering it from Palatine, hoping that it'll prove to be more vigorous as a grafted plant. I've read that Parole has a good reputation for hardiness, so I'd encourage you to try it.

The other rose I've grown is Lucille Ball. I agree that there are hardiness issues with this rose. I don't take measures to 'winterize' roses in my garden, & rarely have any winter-related problems that spring pruning doesn't resolve. Last winter, however, we had a prolonged cold snap accompanied by fairly high winds. This spring, two of my modern roses (out of abt 75) were absolutely dead -- Lucille Ball and a 9- or 10-yr-old Valencia. I've no idea if it's mere coincidence that those two are apricot, or if roses in that color range tend to be less hardy in general. I know there are gardeners who grow LB successfully in zones where winters are often severe, so taking basic steps to protect it may be all that's needed to keep this wonderful rose from one season to the next. I definitely plan to replace mine.


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Of those four, I have Parole on Multiflora rootstock and Neptune on Doc Huey. Parole is still a stingy bloomer, even on multiflora, but you forgive it when you see those enormous smelly blooms. It does mildew quite badly, though. I'd really like to try this one on Fortuniana.

I like Neptune here -- it's one of the nicer lavenders, and it generally has reasonable exhibition form. And unlike most lavenders here in my coastal canyon fog, it's not particulary mildew-prone. All in all it's a good rose.

Kathy


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terryjean,

I have roses that by no means should be grown in Michigan. Most are self rooted florist roses usually grown in Ecuador. Here are pics of 2 of these;

Papaya - Lived through 3 winters so far;
Papaya

Latin Lady - Made it through 2 winters so far;
Latin Lady

These roses, and roses like Lucille Ball, etc. just seem to have a hard time getting through the winters without special help. What I do is this;

After 2 nights where the temps have gone below 25 degrees, I place poultry fencing around the tender roses.

poultry fencing from Home Depot;
poultry netting

The fencing is then filled with pine bark fines to the top (12-18 inches depending on rose), and left along until about April 15th. If I am really feeling energetic, I put spray adhesive on the inside of the netting, and place newspapers onver the adhesive in order to keep any fines from falling out the holes. This has worked fine so far (4 year experiment) and I've not lost any roses that I have used this method on. I do this for all my florist roses, and roses that I am terrified of losing.


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Thank you all for sharing your experiences!

Mgleason, I appreciate the warning regarding LB's hardiness. I will be growing all these roses in pots (forgot to mention that)since I'm completely out of space (unless I fill in my little pond). I will overwinter them in my attached shed, surrounded by bagged leaves, and raised off the cement. I will take extra care with her. Perhaps I can keep her in my unheated, attached garage?
(p.s. your florist roses are so beautiful - who wouldn't go above and beyond to save THEM?)

Jaxondel, another warning on LB's hardiness! I'll be worrying about her all winter!
I'm happy to hear about Parole - the colour looks gorgeous, and I'm a sucker for 'very fragrant' roses. Good that it is hardy - I'll have enough to stress about until April rolls around :o)

Kathy, thanks for the heads-up on the mildew for Parole - I spray sulphur for BS and alternate Cornell/milk sprays for mildew. This year was bad up here, mildew everywhere, but I will start spraying earlier next spring. I also love the colour of Neptune's blooms, but not sure if it will do well in my zone.

Dollsandroses, where are you located? Maybe it will make a difference in how Neptune performs...can you tell I don't really want to hear discouraging news? LOL

Judith




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Can't say for Neptune's hardiness, but it is the best lavendar rose I have grown (and I have tried quite a few). Blooms better than average for a HT, nicely formed and fragrant.


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The only one I can comment on is Neptune. I lost mine to that awful Easter 07 freeze. Prior to that, it had a decent color but never had what would be considered good show hybrid tea form. It also usually lacked much fragrance to my nose. From what I have seen of it, both in pictures and on show tables, Neptune appears to be a coastal influence climate rose. That is, it likes a coastal climate more than an interior continental climate.


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Judith-I live on Cape Cod. We're a zone 7 & have a great climate for most roses. And I'm not the only on in our New England District who has been disappointed by Neptune.


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Neptune has done well here. It was a bit slow to get established but this June (4th year) it had a lot of blooms. No winter protection needed. Repeated OK throughout this rainy summer. Great bloom form.

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Parole will be in my garden next year for sure. I do grow Neptune, and I'm so happy to have it. It has remained disease free for most of the summer, and right now it has well over 20 blooms. For me. neptune has been a show boat and I love it. It resides next to Honey Dijon, bordered by incognito, and the 3 make a great combo.


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  • Posted by beth NorCA 9 (My Page) on
    Mon, Aug 31, 09 at 11:54

NEPTUNE does ok for me. I don't spray (but I should) and it does get some mildew and thrips. Actually the thrips are my worst problem with any of my roses. But I just don't have time to spray. NEPTUNE repeats fairly well for me, and the blooms are quite beautiful, altho they can blow kind of fast. I like it tho

I got PAROLE from Heirloom about 4 or 5 yrs ago when they were the only ones who had it, so of course it is ownroot. I have yet to see one bloom on it. The plant is still teeny tiny and does practically nothing. Maybe I should order a grafted one also!

I've had LUCY for many yrs. Got her when she first came out. The plant is not doing well, and hasn't for sometime. I get only mild winters, but we do get a bit of snow a few days a yr. Nothing I have to prepare for. I've never lost a rose to winter. But LUCY is just faltering along. She died back this yr to one cane, and I keep watching to make sure she doesn't totally croak on me. So far, so good. But her blooms are so beautiful. Definitely worth trying to keep her going in your harsher winters.

So, have you guys seen all the new roses Palatine lists? I just placed my order last night. I was thrilled to see LAGUNA FREELANDER. Saw it on the Kordes website last yr and was hoping they'd someday bring that one over here. I also ordered BEVERLY, HOLSTEINPERLE (one I always thought about getting from Michael Fischer when he was still in business), BONANZA FREELANDER, CHARMANT FREELANDER and THANKSGIVING ROSE (a shrub from Kordes).


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Beth, yep, I put my order in yesterday, and one of them was 'PAROLE'. While I was in the midst of it, my neighbor, who has never grown roses, came wandering over and was looking at 'RAINBOW NIAGARA' in my garden. She ended up ordering 5 also with my order. I'm always glad to convert newbies!

I saw 'LAGUANA FREELANDER' also...have been thinking about adding it. Do you have any experience with the Freelander series?
-terry


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Perfect example of proper siting: I have two Parole plants. One is in full sun and struggles. The other is in a large pot on the pool deck where it receives afternoon shade, and it is one of my very best roses. It is at least twice as big/tall as the other one (which is one or two years older), and it blooms like nobody's business with a very quick repeat even with lots of petals and heavy fragrance. Go figure! Makes me think that a lot of the roses we discard as being "dogs/deer" are simply in the wrong places to do well.


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I just bought a Parole rose..from Raft Island who buys from Palantine. It was recommended for my cool zone 8..we will see!


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Judith I planted Jasminia last summer, she bloomed her head off, was healthy as can be. No spots at all and she grew like gangbusters. I can't tell you how hardy she is yet, will have to wait a few months for that but from what I can see sticking up through the snow the canes look fine. (Please check your e-mail)

I have Laguna from Palatine. It is a gorgeous rose also. VEry healthy. I think all of the roses I have ordered from them the last few years are definately among the best I have ever seen.

Valerie


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O.k. Valerie, NOW I remember! Whew, the mind is the first thing to go...:)

Margaret, that's exactly where I am planning to put Parole - on my back deck in a pot, with sun until 12 noon. Wish me luck.

I ended up ordering Parole and Lucille Ball - even though you all warned me about LB's hardiness! I just couldn't resist. I must ENJOY worrying!
Thanks everyone,
Judith


 
 

 

 


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