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Caring for rescued rose bushes plus ID request

Posted by jewelie6 6b (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 11, 12 at 15:43

I rescued two 30+year old hybrid tea roses from my parents zone 5 (0r 6?) home. When I found them, they were surrounded by grass and weeds. My dad said he moved them to their location against a retaining wall a few years ago. Me, feeling sorry for them, decided to move them to my garden where I obsess over roses. I truly want to make sure they recover because I fondly remember them as a little girl trying to add 'compost' (whole pieces of banana peels, bread, whatever) to care for them. I think my parents gave up on them because they didn't have the time or desire to help them along. My dad doesn't know their names, but he remembers buying them before I was born in 1982 at a Kmart. He thinks one iis red. One just bloomed and is highly fragrant. Any id attempts for the flowering rose will be greatly appreciated.

I planned on overwinting them in the garage this year. I worry that they will not make it if they go in the ground in their current sad state. All advice is welcome on whether this is the right design. For what it is worth, I moved these 6 days ago and have been giving lots of water only. I used some transplant solution when I dug them up. They are in organic potting soil with some gravel at the bottom.

Help? Here are some pics of the two.

Rose 1 with bloom that opened this morning.

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Rose 2

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Thanks everyone,


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RE: Caring for rescued rose bushes plus ID request

An old, very fragrant, deep-yellow-with-red-flush hybrid tea is 'Sutter's Gold.'

Where do you live? In most parts of zone 6b, with all older hybrid teas, blackspot disease is a severe, inevitable problem that requires spraying fungicide.

Overwintering in the garage is tricky. If it is an attached garage, the roses may get warm enough to start growing out in the dark during February. I would just leave the pots outside, maybe up against the south foundation of the house, and pile leaves around the pots for the coldest part of winter. Or just plant them in the garden.

At least one of the roses is planted with the graft exposed. This will need protecting at temperatures below 10 degrees.


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RE: Caring for rescued rose bushes plus ID request

  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Sat, Aug 11, 12 at 17:17

Glad you saved them! Since your Dad remembers buying them at K Marts before 1982 I'm betting they're probably varieties that were introduced much earlier than that. K Mart has never sold the latest and greatest ones, as a rule, but usually the out of patent packaged roses. Even the potted ones mine used to get (mine didn't even get any body bags in this spring) were always older, out of patent varieties.

It's hard to tell from the pictures but it could be a Peace rose. If so, lucky you! I know it looks very yellow in your pictures but the earlier clones are said to be much deeper and vibrant in color than the new ones sold today. And I do remember my Mom's Peace rose from the 60s was a much deeper yellow than the one I have now.

Wintering them in the pots in the garage is a good idea. I don't know exactly where you are but for me here in MI it's getting sort of late to plant roses and hope they'll be established well enough to winter outside. Besides, you can pamper them better in the pots and get them healthy before you put them in the ground. Wait until they are completely dormant before you store them in the garage. Put the pots up on wood or blocks to keep the bottoms off the cement and remember to give them water once a month until spring. You don't want them to dehydrate. That will kill them for sure. They're asleep, not dead, lol, so they need to be watered even if the soil looks and feels frozen. I water the one I keep in my shed for winter by putting a shovel full of snow on it every time it snows. That way it slowly melts down into the pot as temps fluctuate over the winter.

In the spring when the daylight starts to length you'll begin to see some growth nubs on the canes fattening. That's when you have to keep an eye on them most. You can take them out into the sun during the day if it's above freezing but they have to go back in at night if the temps are still below freezing. You kind of have to play it by ear until you're sure that they won't be frozen. The freeze/thaw cycle is a real rose killer.

Give us a pic of the other one when it blooms and we'll try to ID that one for you too!


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RE: Caring for rescued rose bushes plus ID request

Thanks for the quick responses! I am in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia, about 15 miles north of Winchester, VA. I am on the extreme western outskirts of the DC metro area, which is zone 7a. I beieve our first frost date is October 15. I have experienced blackspot in my garden, but so far, a few sprays of Bayer advanced disease control keeps it in check.

My garage is unheated, so if I decide to overwinter there, the roses will go against the opposite end of the attached wall - against an unattached wall. There is a small window on that wall (not sure if that matters).

Sutters Gold is a good guess. I looked it up on HMF, and the rose looks very simmilar.

About how long will it take to get a good established root system to a protect a rose from the fall frost?


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RE: Caring for rescued rose bushes plus ID request

I don't think there is a definite answer to your last question. Soft new growth is injured at about 27 degrees F., which you will normally get some time in November. Hardened canes of hybrid teas are injured at around zero (this varies, say plus or minus 7). Roots don't really affect that. However, a mass of roots allows the rose to regrow in spring after severe damage to the tops.

If you bring the rose into the garage, wait until severe cold threatens in late December or January. Remove any growth buds that start inside and move it back out to restore dormancy. Spindly white growth developed while inside can severely deplete the rose's stored energy.


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RE: Caring for rescued rose bushes plus ID request

Hummm Winchester Va? I believe Patsy cline was from there.


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RE: Caring for rescued rose bushes plus ID request

Correct zyperiris!


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