How long have you had your Stormy Weather? Mine is 3 years old and is finally reblooming and throwing canes longer than 44" I saw some really nice looking ones on a pillared wall and hope mine start taking off like that next season

My oldest Stormy weather is, I think, 2 years old. I guess maybe I just have to wait longer; but then again, I gather you are in CA, so quite a different climate. About how tall were the pillared ones you saw? Mine rebloom quite well, they are just short. As for Night Owl, I have had my oldest for, I think, 4 years, and it is short; maybe 3 ft tall.

Try giving them 2 cups of alfalfa pellets from the feed store. When I do this most roses will throw much bigger canes within 3-4 weeks. The canes will also mature to a much thicker size allowing me to prune them to a longer length. It's possible that winter die back for you might be less severe with bigger canes. Just a guess.

Mine seems to hate the heat and I think that is what slowed it down so much

Thanks for starting this thread, Frances. I want to get both of these roses this fall,but knowing about habit is always essential,and this is info that's hard to find. I hope some others who grow these roses will weigh in...