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| I started giving my buds a little pinch. Do rose buds benefit from pinching? |
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- Posted by rosesinny 7a (nefw2@yahoo.com) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 21:52
| That just goes off into so many weird directions I'm almost embarrassed to ask but, um, what exactly do you mean? |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 22:09
| the rose buds in my garden |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 22:21
| this is a gardening blog silly |
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- Posted by floridarosez9 10 (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 1:19
| Do you pinch them off so the plant puts all it's energy into growing larger? Is that what you mean? It doesn't sound like that's what you're doing. |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 1:43
| I give the rose bud a quick pinch. I do not remove the bud. I'll Google it. I thought I read that it helped the bloom. I was looking for feedback from other rose enthusiasts. |
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| what, like an affectionate pat, a gentle stroke, a loving slap? Can't get my head round exactly what you mean either, mauvey, but it sure sounds a bit.....unique? |
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- Posted by roseblush1 8a/Sunset 7 (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 7:19
| mauvegirl8......... Actually, dis-budding the side buds on a rose like a hybrid tea does allow the plant to put more energy into the primary bloom. It is common practice with exhibitors to remove the side buds for exactly that purpose. They remove the side buds early enough in the development of the bloom so that there is no scar showing on the exhibition bloom. The rose creates the side buds as kind of a back-up just in case the primary bud is damaged by insects, frost or whatever, because the rose and other flowering plants produce blooms to be pollenated so that they can set seed and continue the species. For cluster flowering roses, those roses that bloom in small clusters rather than in trusses, the center bloom of a cluster is often pinched out to allow more room for the blooms within the cluster to develop more fully and more attractively. I have found, in my garden, that there is another reason to dis-bud a rose, which is to avoid having rose curculios breed in my garden. The roses do put out a heavier bloom production if the whole plant is dis-budded, but that is not the purpose of removing the buds. With a stressed rose, dis-budding a rose for the whole season will allow the plant to put it's energy into growing roots and plant resulting in a healthier plant. Some gardeners will remove some buds so that the bloom cluster is not too heavy for the plant. Others will pinch out faded blooms in a cluster and leave the blooms which are still attractive and viable. In other words, there are several very good reasons to pinch buds on a rose plant. However, it's different than the type of "Pinching" use for most annuals and perennials. Smiles, |
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| Mauvegirl isn't asking about pinching as in disbudding, or as in any of those other good reasons you refer to, Lyn. She's asking about gently pinching buds, but leaving them attached to the plant . . . as in pinching a baby's cheeks (sort of). |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 10:05
| Wow - this post woke me up this morning! Now that I understand what mauvegirl is talking about, my response is that I have never heard of this practice. I would be worried that the new baby rose buds would be bruised by mistake. Can't think of any good coming of it, but if very gentle perhaps no harm either. Whenever I have time to briefly touch my roses as I walk by, I almost always am snapping of a finished bloom, or taking off a dead or diseased leaf. I leave any healthy looking buds & foliage alone. Mauvegirl - did you find anything in your research? It does sound as if you might have seen some comment or other about "pinching" as in disbudding as described by roseblush being good for the plant if it is very young. That is the usual use of the term "pinching" by rose folks. I have had cuttings I was trying to root set buds inside of the plastic bag - those I do pinch off, as the silly cuttings do not even have any roots yet! Please do let us know if you find out anything about your kind of "pinching" - there are always new things to learn. Jackie |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 10:09
| EXACTLY jaxondel! I did not foresee so many interpretations for what I thought was straight forward. |
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| I have heard that giving the buds a gentle squeeze will loosen up the petals inside so they'll open more easily. I think it had to do with buds that were already showing color. I've tried it myself and I didn't notice any difference. |
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- Posted by roseblush1 8a/Sunset 7 (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 11:30
| Jax... Yikes... I would have never interpreted "pinching" in that fashion. Thanks for the clarification. With over 100 roses in my current garden, I can honestly say I would have never felt I had time to even consider adding that kind of activity to my rose culture practices, for in my experience, I have never seen a need for it. Mauvegirl8 ... I can't see any harm in the practice, nor can I see any benefit, but it if makes you happy, as far as I am concerned, go for it. But then, I have never had any problems with blooms opening in either of my gardens. My own preference is to allow nature to determine the timing of when a bloom opens without any assistance from me. I agree with Jackie, I am always ready to learn something new, so please share what you find in your research. Smiles, |
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| I also can't see any benefit, unless it helps you "bond" with your roses. A too firm, or un-gentle pinch could damage or bruise the petals, interrupting their ability to open properly. I envy you the spare time to be able to engage in such a practice, though. I don't have it. Kim |
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| I also can't see any real benefit -- but not having ever tried it, I guess I can't knock it. OTOH, like Kim, I don't got time to pinch or squeeze. And hand-water #$%%$$ pots . . . Jeri |
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- Posted by kathy9norcal CA 9 (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 20:17
| Nope, never heard of this practice. You could say I am a pincher because I regularly pinch off dead blooms and my roses bloom all summer long. I do it almost every day--a small price to pay for continuous bloom for most of my roses. I would not pinch opening buds though. Good luck! |
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- Posted by lola-lemon none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 31, 12 at 0:09
| Hi there! Though i do agree with others that "pinching" plants in the garden usually has to do with taking a bloom off (either before or after blooming) or pinching back stems of other flowers. .... I have to confess i do something like what you are talking about.....- on occasion i am impatient with waiting and will squeeze and roll a just opening rose to get it to unfurl enough to stick my nose in for a sniff. (unballing it,if you wil). Oklahoma and jude the obscure (he's new ) get their cheeks pinched the most of all early in the season when they havent gotten busy and i want a sniff. Just whatever i feel like, right? It's not going to hurt it. Do what you feel like!! |
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| I have a vague memory of reading in one of my rose books about gardeners in stately country mansions in England around the turn of the century being told to pinch blooms (not taking them off but pinching the way you would pinch a baby's cheek) in order to attain more beautiful flowers. I believe the rose in question was Souvenir de la Malmaison. When you have a dozen garden helpers at your disposal I don't suppose it would matter whether this method worked or not. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam (My Page) on Fri, Aug 31, 12 at 13:30
| Remember the story about the man who squeezed his opening multi petaled Austin rosebuds to make them open perfectly in damp weather? I thought that was nuts. Then I tried it and found out it works really well. |
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| So there you go, Mauvegirl . . . Pinch with abandon and don't apologize for it! Thanks for asking the question. |
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| Well...I guess thats kind of what I do too to a certain extent. Not so much when they've newly budded, but I find on some of my more full/globular blooms it helps to kind of "squish" them a bit and get the petels moving if they start to ball. I don't know if it "really" helps, but at least I feel like I'm helping :) Tammy |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on Sat, Sep 1, 12 at 1:54
| Maybe I'll talk to the buds instead :) |
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- Posted by roseblush1 8a/Sunset 7 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 2, 12 at 23:26
| mauvegirl8......... Do whatever makes you happy in your garden. That's why we garden ... for joy. btw ... I do talk to my plants. I like it, but I don't know if they really care. I don't plan to change that habit soon. Smiles, |
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| actually, there is a little validity in 'talking' or at least, breathing on them. Extra carbon dioxide is always a plus (unless the law of limiting factors is at work) and can significantly improve growth. |
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- Posted by roseblush1 8a/Sunset 7 (My Page) on Mon, Sep 3, 12 at 7:17
| Camp.... That's good to know.... thanks. I'd probably blither away at them just because I like it .. lol. Smiles, |
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| I don't pinch (but may try it) but I do midwife (my term for it) blooms on roses that regularly ball. I just push the sepals and outer petals back if I see color and it looks like it will not open on their own. Maybe if I do pinch these buds, they will open more regularly. |
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