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Posted by homestead_1890 6a (My Page) on

Mon, Sep 29, 14 at 9:28

A hybrid tea I planted three years ago sprouted a rambler this year. The bush took a long time to come back to life in the spring, and then when it did, it was still pretty anemic with not too many new shoots and very few blossoms. Then, in early July, a lot of new growth started to appear. But it turned out this growth resembled a rambler and did not blossom. The one cane that remained from the hybrid tea put off one or two blossoms the rest of the summer but no new growth. Is there any hope for this hybrid tea? Where did the rambler come from? Can I cut it out so it won't come back?

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Posted by michaelg 7a NC Mts (My Page) on
Mon, Sep 29, 14 at 9:37

The rambler is the rootstock. The hybrid tea was grafted on top of the rambler, and it nearly froze out last winter. It is probably best to start over next spring and set the graft 2" below grade to protect it from temperatures below 10 F.

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Posted by homestead_1890 (My Page) on
Mon, Sep 29, 14 at 12:29

Thanks!

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Posted by michaelg 7a NC Mts (My Page) on
Mon, Sep 29, 14 at 13:24

I probably should have been clearer--by "start over" I meant get a new plant, since there is not enough HT left to build a good plant. But if you had more surviving HT tissue, you would dig down to expose where each rambler shoot is connected to the roots and tear each out of its socket. If you just cut them down, they grow right back. In this case, it would probably make more rambler shoots anyway in order to balance tops with roots.

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Posted by Summerseve none (My Page) on
Mon, Sep 29, 14 at 20:01

Ramblers can be very pretty. I love ramblers. :-) Some ramblers bloom on old wood, so you might have hundreds or thousands blooms next Spring! :-)

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Posted by michaelg 7a NC Mts (My Page) on
Tue, Sep 30, 14 at 10:13

The common rootstocks do not make very good garden plants, though.

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Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on
Tue, Sep 30, 14 at 19:09

I left a rootstock when the standard rose on top of it died and the rootstock came up. I don't know if it was from the roots or the stalk (I am told that standard roses are made of three roses). Anyway, it rambled and rambled, but did not bloom for 3 years. I spoke to it sternly, and told it that if it did not bloom the following Spring I was going to get rid of it. That worked - the following Spring it covered itself with fat almost spherical buds, which eventually opened into the most amazingly huge and lovely very very double raspberry colored blooms which, in addition to being lovely, were incredibly fragrant. The standard rose was planted in the 1970s, which was not that long ago. I still have that rose and love love it. It was identified for me as "De la Grifferaie", an old French hybrid multiflora hybridized by Vibert in 1845.

So, just pointing out that you never know... As far as being "common", my next door neighbor discovered the exact same rose in her neglected back yard, so it must have been common at some point. I don't have a pic of mine, but here is hers in full bloom - taken through my kitchen window, so not the best quality pic, but you get the idea. If I had homestead_1890's rambler, I would let it bloom just to see what happened.

Jackie

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Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on
Wed, Oct 1, 14 at 9:03

De La Grifferai is beautiful. Odorata, another rootstock is a lovely(and tough) rambler. I think that Dr. Huey is much maligned. Watered and cared for it is a lovely dark red rambler. Mine even has some rebloom.

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Posted by michaelg 7a NC Mts (My Page) on
Wed, Oct 1, 14 at 11:44

Rootstocks of grafted hybrid teas from 2011 are almost all either 'Dr. Huey' or multiflora. The OP can tell which by looking at the foliage. Dr. H is dark and glossy, while multiflora is lighter green and matte. Multiflora is useless as a garden plant. Dr. H is pretty in spring, but, in eastern North America, it will be bloomless and naked from blackspot all summer and fall unless it is sprayed every two weeks.

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