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| Anyone try these seeds, yet?
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| Is someone again selling rose seeds on Ebay? Jeri |
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| Is someone again selling rose seeds on Ebay? Jeri |
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- Posted by meredith_e 7B Piedmont NC (My Page) on Fri, Sep 7, 12 at 23:40
| Yes, watch out for any rose seeds that don't look like species roses. Google how species roses look compared to hybrids. Hybrids don't come true from seed; only species do. I have a nana version of multiflora, if anyone ever needs cuttings. It's the kind (I forget the exact name) with willow-looking foliage, which is about what it's good for since it hardly blooms. Still, it is very short and the foliage is cool :) |
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| The traditional crooks are ALWAYS selling rose seeds on EBay. Blue roses, black roses, multi-colored roses, all the same old fraudulent junk. Buyers be ware! Kim |
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| IIRC, some of those "rose seeds" have even turned out not to be rose seeds. If you have no other use for your money -- give it to me! Jeri |
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| I don't know about R. Multiflora but I know that seeds from Garden Party will NOT grow you a Garden Party rose. It may or may not look similar but it will not BE Garden Party. And as Jeri said, the "rose" you grow may end up being a radish! |
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| "the "rose" you grow may end up being a radish!" If you're lucky! LOL! Could be something much worse! Kim |
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| Funny! Glad you guys had a good time. This is a brand new rose seed from Europe. Google it. No, it's not the old "Garden Party". I buy my seeds from the best seed wholesaler in the US...Geoseed. This source is for commerical growers. It is NEW for commerical growers this year from Geoseed. Stop laughing at your jokes long enough to Google it. Geez |
Here is a link that might be useful: Rosa Mutiflora Nana Perpetua - Garden Party
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| And from Thompson-Morgan (towards bottom). At Geoseed, these seeds can be purchased for a fraction of what Thompson-Morgan is getting . |
Here is a link that might be useful: Thompson-Morgan
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- Posted by flaurabunda 6a, Central IL (My Page) on Mon, Sep 10, 12 at 9:56
| Bugbite, It ain't you---it's because so many others have posted here "Crying Wolf" about rose seeds. I don't think most of the folks here are fluent in whatever language the site at the first link is written in. There are probably a handful....but there's no way to earburn someone here to a thread. A few key points always raise the suspicions of rose enthusiasts here: Seeds just aren't the preferred method of rearing our "young". |
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| Bugbite, I'm sure you've seen the ones like these. People have often posted here about whether or not these were real. Rainbow Rose http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-Seeds-Rare-Holland-Rainbow-Rose-Flower-See d-To-Your-Lover-ITEM-LABEL-Rose9-/271044071965?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&h ash=item3f1b7c521d Blue and Purple Roses http://www.ebay.com/itm/40-ROSE-SEED-Purple-Blue-Flower-seeds-Great-Gi ft-For-Your-Lover-Fresh-/221121710040?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3 37be187d8 Black Roses http://www.ebay.com/itm/150-SEEDS-Black-Rose-Garden-Roses-RARE-Double- Perennial-Flower-Bulk-B3008-/280898020154?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=i tem4166d3a33a And others, just as outrageous and fraudulent, all designed to separate people who don't know from their money. There has been at least one post to these forums of radishes germinating from the "rare rose seeds". It's been a common enough subject here, that when Ebay and rose seeds are mentioned, this is often what springs to peoples' minds. Mine, included. These types are obviously (to anyone familiar with roses), fraud. The small print does indicate any import and customs issues are the responsibility of the purchaser. Many are from outside the US and would probably be intercepted and destroyed by the USDA, which is always on guard for such illegal entries. Dwarf, repeat flowering multiflora seed have been distributed for over a century, both in the US and Europe. See the two HMF addresses below for examples. http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25677 http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/plants.php?searchNmTyp=5&searchNm=multi flora&rid=3521&sbSearch=SEARCH&tab=1&qn=3&qc=54 Even today, you find "Fairy Roses" and "Angel Roses" sold as seed. There have been many polyantha and hybrid multiflora roses discovered which are probably these types of roses, originating from open pollinated, germinated seeds from Fairy Roses. Plate-Bande is an historic example. http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.34956 There have been several roses of this type discovered in California and provided various study names. It's been generally agreed they most likely resulted from this kind of seed. Ralph Moore even made use of this kind of rose to create his mini-poly, Fair Molly. The "Rosa polyantha 'nana'" he used was from Fairy Rose seed he obtained and raised many decades ago. So, yes, this type of rose has been sold, traded and raised for over a century, both in the US as well as Europe. It is highly likely many of the unidentified polyantha, mini and hybrid multiflora types circulating won't ever be identified as they resulted from just such seed. I apologize if my earlier response offended you, but as you have seen, there is much fraud on line concerning rose seeds, particularly from outside the US where there are fewer controls and virtually no accountability for it. But, your type is an established, documented rose type. Seedlings raised from them will very likely resemble many which have been raised by many since the late Nineteenth throughout the Twentieth and early Twenty-First Centuries. Kim |
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| Thanks for the responces. "Seedlings raised from them will very likely resemble many which have been raised by many since the late..." You may be right, I'll see. What they are pushing for the commerical grower is that they can actually germinate these easily for commerical production. These are more for the commerical growers who focus on "plants from seed" production. Now they potentially have a rose that can be put in their line-up even if they don't propagate from cuttings (in theory). So that is new; maybe the actual flowers are not. But a dependable, seed-produced, commerical rose is a mind-blower to me. My hot and intense hobby for 10 years in the 80s was hybridizing roses, so I am in tune to what you all have mentioned. Thanks for the followup. |
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| Bugbite -- I don't think anyone was trying to say you were a loser. Most people come here, ask questions, and are grateful for the sharing of knowledge they receive. I fear you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. But hey -- bless you anyhow. Jeri |
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| 1. "the "rose" you grow may end up being a radish!" If you're lucky! LOL! Could be something much worse! 2. "If you have no other use for your money -- give it to me!" The word "loser" was a bad choice. Delete that word; reread the two answers above and substitute the appropriate word. |
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| Is there some reason why you are this hostile??? It's not healthy for you, you know. Really, blessings on you. Jeri |
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| Actually, yes, some things could be MUCH worse. I'll happily send you seeds of this monstrosity if you wish. I have dug tubers from the ground literally the size of an 8 cylinder automobile engine. It grows 50' and more very rapidly with very little water. The squirrels love the seeds, which they plant everywhere. It takes repeated applications of Round Up, quite a bit more concentrated than label instructions to put a dent in it. So, yes, there ARE worse things than radishes! Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: Prickly Cucumber
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| A really MISERABLE plant -- AFAICS, there's no reason for its existence. It's spreading like wildfire on some neglected property here -- along with several other noxious weeds. Jeri |
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| Yes. I will tell you why I am hostile. In academic environments I have repeatedly seen people that are not sensitive others. They make fun of other people in a low keyed way and don't even realize it. In so doing they make themselves feel better. (They subconsciously feel "That person, group, etc. is at this level; I am here at a higher level".) I have repeatedly had to intervene to diffuse tensions caused by such behavior. So I am hypersensitive to it. I noticed that you did not understand how your answers might have affected a newbie. Fortunately I have been growing roses for 45 years, but what about a new person. His/her question would have been disrespected. Couldn't the response have been more caring, more sensitive. I decided not to revisit this post but something happened to me today. I took one of my 3 cats to the vet today. I love animals and run an animal forum at my church. Another customer at the vet's office had a beautiful weimaraner. He told me he had 3 weimaraners. This one is really sweet. But he has one male who loves to kill things. Then he proceeded to tell how many cats his weinranier killed. Because, as you say I appear to have a "chip" on my shoulder for inconsiderate people; yes, a low tolerance, I held back and simply explained how much of a animal lover I am and how I care very much for cats. He then proceeded to tell me about the last cat kill the dog did. How brutal it was. A big beautiful long haired gray cat shredded. I left the vet dazed. I told my spouse that I am tired of inconsiderate people, whether it is from someone on a forum who probably doesn't even see how she/he comes across or the guy at the vet telling me about how his dog brutally kills cats. I am tired of it and will let my intolerance (or chip) proudly show. I will pray for you that you understand that every question should be respected. And, this is for you, I will not revisit this post, so you get the last word, which I am sure will be another "dig". But God will forgive you if you pray about it. And bless you dear. I am sure you are a nice, kind person who just likes to have a little fun. |
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