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| Hi everyone,
I'm relatively new to rose gardening, i bought a bunch of roses from heirloom earlier this year and put them in my garden in around June and July - luckily I have a lot of space. So far I've planted: Radio Times
Sorry for the long list! I've searched this forum inside out for information on all of these roses, and love all the feedback. However, I was wondering if you could give any tips that you know about any of these roses. What they like/dislike (besides water and sun, which I know for a fact they all like). I'm just a little disappointed with a few of the roses I've received so far, and I don't want to assume that they aren't good roses because they are own-root, and I did buy them as small bands so I do understand that they need time, but a few of them are worrying me. Just what I've noticed- Star of the Nile - does get a good amount of sun, but does get afternoon shade because of my shed, I'm hoping that's not going to be a problem - given that it's the smallest rose I have right now, it does put out new growth but stayed a good 6 inches and isnt getting any taller. Mary Magdalene - Such a beautiful rose and puts out a lot of blooms, but it got a ton of blackspot with me, which is weird because whenever I researched it, no one ever really mentioned the fact that it gets blackspot, however I know all zones are different. I'm also just hoping that since its still very small and only a one year plant, things will change in the future. Radio Times - By far the most blooms I have had on any of my recently purchased roses. I know it is said to be repeat, but for some reason there was never a point where it stopped producing - which I love. Such beautiful flowers and smells amazing, however the blackspot is TERRIBLE, huge black dots on the leaves - going to need to spray this one. Jude the Obscure - got relatively big, but it grew to a certain length while it was in its band (stayed in the band for a good month before i could plant it) and hasn't grown since I put it in the ground. I'm just hoping it's trying to adjust. Louise Odier - I hate the fact that my shed blocks all morning sun to her, but she gets a good amount of afternoon sun. No blackspot, however some of her leaves are turning yellow, only on one side of the plant. She does get a good amount of water, which is getting me to think the soil has too much/too little of some nutrients. With all of them - so far I've: -fertilized with Neptunes Fish, both as a foliage spray and diluted in their water.
I'm sorry for the length of this, but I was hoping to give as much info as possible. Any advice on any of these would be greatly appreciated. I'll post pictures whenever I have a chance. Glad to be a member with you guys! Drew |
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- Posted by flaurabunda 6a, Central IL (My Page) on Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 13:59
| Drew, The only rose you & I have in common so far is Jude. I can tell you that my Jude is grafted (not own-root) and started out probably a little larger than your band, but it also did nothing but silently mock me & refuse to grow its first year. Now it's doing what I've heard many of the Austins can do; grows like a shrub with the occasional cane that's reminiscent of a climber. |
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| H, Drew. Star of the Nile was slow for me too, and Radio Times is a terrible blackspotter unless sprayed. It does repeat well, as you say, and smells really good. Possibly your roses are undernourished. NH Fish has an analysis of only 2-4-1, bone meal in the bottom of the hole (or elsewhere) may have no effect at all, and epsom salt is useful only if the soil is deficient in magnesium. If the yellowing leaves are new leaves and their veins tend to be greener, that is iron deficiency, usually caused by a high (alkaline) pH. Roses use NPK in the ratio of 3-2-1, and it would take maybe 3 cups of NH Fish over the season to supply ample nitrogen for an average (3'-4') plant. Your soil may or may not already have ample phosphorus and potassium (a soil test would tell you), but roses need nitrogen added every year. |
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| Hi Drew, I also have Jude (grafted, and it was definitely a slow starter for me). In fact, I was disappointed in this rose until it surprised me around its third year by quickly becoming monstrous in size (I love monsters if they're in the right place). I hate to tell you how tall Jude and its partner Bro Cadfael are now at the end of the summer--at least 12 feet tall, after starting the season at about 9 feet. Jude is wide, too, about 8 feet at this time. It's a pretty good bloomer, too. Of course, all roses respond differently to different climates and environmental considerations. Good luck with your new roses. Diane |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam So. CA sunset 23 (My Page) on Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 15:17
| Little own root roses need time. It takes a few years to get the full effect. The flowers will be smaller and bushes floppier. Not to worry. Get them through the winters and wait. Around about year 3 or 4 in the ground, the little plants begin to grow big mature canes that don't flop. Then you will see your dream roses. After that the bushes only get better every year. A puppy doesn't look like an adult dog. A little band doesn't look like a mature bush. Patience pays off. Enjoy watching your roses grow. They grow more slowly the first years above the ground. They are busy making a super root system so they can make the big canes later. Don't cut them down. Just let them be and trim off old flowers and not any leaves. Keep weeds from stealing the food and water you want your roses to have and mulch to keep the growing roots happy. I like what you picked and I hope it all goes well for you. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam (My Page) on Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 15:47
| My Great Century was a wide medium height hybrid tea. He paused between flowerings and spring was always his best time. Louise Odier grows slender and tall for me and does not like late day sun or shade. I would dig her up in fall and put her in a morning sun spot. The delicate flowers look best in morning sun as well. ( I'd put Lavender Lassie in the afternoon sun place) I moved my Louise Odier about 4 times before I found "the spot". Usually I just let bands grow for 4 or more years and if I think that the bush isn't improving by then, it's time to hunt for a new location. My Jude is about the same as what everyone else has said here. I even had one I thought was dead and never got around to removing. Later the next year, up came a cane and now he's working on making himself into a bush. You never can tell. |
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| thanks a lot for the feedback! I've taken everything into mind, and hopefully in the years coming they will get even healthier - I'm literally paying close attention to make sure they are healthy and happy in their places. Diana - the reason why I bought JtO in the first place is because I saw pictures of yours and needed to buy it afterwards. I love JtO and Brother Cadfael together. Where did you get them from? I can't believe how tall they are over there with you, it's amazing. And like you, I don't mind if they get that tall, as long as it's in the right place like you said. |
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- Posted by floridarosez9 10 (My Page) on Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 19:10
| Isn't Jude the Obscure sometimes referred to as Jude the Eventual? Or am I thinking of another rose? |
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| Jude and his Bro were purchased from David Austin 8 years ago. They are great, dependable roses that have really grown on me (pun intended) in recent years. I think of them as two big, slightly rambunctious boys that are fun to have around. Diane |
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| Use hardware cloth or chickenwire cylinders to protect from rabbits. Animals will start eating young rose bushes when it gets cold. I just use 12-12-12 (or 10-10-10 or 13-13-13), whatever is on sale. Milorganite has iron and nitrogen. I bought own root Jude from Roses Unlimited a few years ago. It was a slow starter but survived the winter without protection and is now a good medium sized rose bush. Louise Odier can handle part shade. Not much repeat. Long canes. |
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| thanks for the info! and yes you're 100% right. Diane did you buy them as climbers or just the regular bushes? Because I know on his website you have a choice to buy the "Cl" version or the regular shrub. But 9 feet tells me it's probably a climber |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam (My Page) on Thu, Sep 13, 12 at 18:19
| Louise can live in part shade but the repeat flowering is better in morning sun. I tried other later day situations and the flowers were a nicer color in morning sun. Hot afternoon sun damaged the flowers. It wasn't one of my heaviest blooming roses so I wanted the ones I got to look their best. I want brother C. and I heard he is large and does better in acidic soil. |
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| Hi Drew, Your new post reminded I needed to answer your last question. I purchased Bro Cadfael and Jude as regular bushes. I don't even think they were available as climbers 8 years ago. They are very stiff and upright, and I can't imagine trying to bend them to a structure. My soil is alkaline so I don't think you need to have acidic soil to have good results with these roses. Diane |
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| There are no climbing versions of Austin roses. For some of the large, rampant-growing shrubs,they list the same clone in two places. |
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| I agree, michaelg. I have assumed all along that there were no "real" climbing Austins. I don't think I have any that I would attempt to use as a climber. Diane |
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| thanks a lot for all of the information! It makes sense, the lady at David Austin told me that the "Cl" version and the regular bush are the same thing, just depends on how you train it. Would love for mine to get around 8 feet tall though :) Diana what do you put for Jude and his brother in regards to fertilizers/amendments? By far the largest bush i've ever seen of Jude! And thanks again for all the replies, Michael as well |
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| Hi zon6-nj, I just fertilize those two the same as my other roses--a real hodgepodge of stuff--manure, plantone (like rosetone), cheap granular fertilizer, and Miracle Grow toward the end of the summer. Our soil is awful, so I do have to fertilize, but should do more. We have hot sunny summers which tend to make things grow a little bigger, and no diseases like black spot which might sap some growth from roses in high BS areas. Hope that helps! Diane |
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| thanks a lot Diane! You all are such a great help, helping me to become more experienced! I appreciate it all. |
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