One of the roses I would like to grow is Black Magic and I ordered two from J&P as bare root early this year and figured if one died, I still had one as backup. Unfortunately, both of them and another rose from J&P didn't break dormancy. I looked online and found many who ordered from J&P also had similar problem. Someone mentioned that because the roots had already been dead, even though the top branches were green, the branches would just slowly turn black and the plants never broke dormancy.

J&P gave me the store credits for the roses. However, since it is a serious issue with bare root roses order of this year, I wonder if they have investigated the causes and corrected it so it won't happen again. Gardening is such a nice hobby that I wouldn't want to see the rose nurseries losing money on the dead roses and the disappointments from gardeners.

My newbie's guess is that some uncommon roses are uncommon because they are dogs as garden plants, but I have no personal experience with the few roses you listed.

Try places like Roses Unlimited.

As the trend will be, more and more, to own-root production, some of those roses will probably be grown only by collectors, or as custom-budded, by nurseries such as Burlington Rose Nursery.

In the case of your 'Black Magic,' there are a good many sources listed on HelpMeFind. If I wanted a rose badly, I'd go right down the list, and check with all of them.

If that didn't pay off, I'd get one from Heirloom, on its own roots. Then, I'd contact Burlington, about custom budding.