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Some issues with a few of my own-roots

Posted by zone6-nj none (My Page) on
Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 16:23

Hi Everyone,

I think some of you know me by now, I bought some first year plants from heirloom earlier this summer and recently (maybe a month ago) put them in the ground. Some did better than others. But i'll try to give some details. I finally have pictures, too.

Radio Times

Beautiful rose, but of course that comes with consequences (terrible black spot). Any specific spray that has worked well with this particular plant?

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9845/imag1764.jpg


Mary Magdalene

Love this rose, but it was healthier earlier this summer than it is now, as you can tell in this picture the bush is more full, now it's starting to shed leaves - probably the black spot effect.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6818/imag1765.jpg


Jude the Obscure

Didn't expect to see any blooms of this one this year, after reading all of your first year experiences with it. However, it was healthier before i put it in the ground. Was very green and healthy, but now i'm seeing some redish spots on it, I attached a few pictures. Does anyone know what this is? How would I be able to treat this, it's my favorite one by far, and I want it to be healthy! (I'm thinking it's rust)

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9697/imag2265.jpg

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2773/imag2267.jpg

Louise Odier
If you saw my other post, I mentioned how she gets morning shade, which I may have to change in the future. As of now, she seems to be growing, but is getting some yellow in the back area of the plant, any ideas? How would I fix this?

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9493/imag2270t.jpg

Any tips would be greatly appreciated! You guys are awesome, like another family. And as you can tell, my dirt isn't the best, it's actually pretty terrible. I added some peat moss in before planting, and have some bone meal in there with it. Recently top dressed with epsom salt. Any tips to improving my dirt and roses would be greatly appreciated, now that I have some pictures that would maybe help you guys in seeing what is actually wrong with them.

Thanks a lot!


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RE: Some issues with a few of my own-roots

Looks like you have a good start there. Here are two suggestions for future reference.

For any kind of fungus problem, use Bayer Garden Disease Control for Roses, Flowers, and Shrubs. Make sure it is that name--Bayer has several different products and I do NOT recommend those other ones (2-in-1; 3-in-1, etc.). I find the only place I can get the correct Bayer product is at Lowes, or online.

To improve your soil and feed your rose, add manure around the plant, out to the dripline at least once every year.

Good luck.

Kate


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RE: Some issues with a few of my own-roots

The Bayer product recommended by Kate will control blackspot on Radio Times, or any rose.

To diagnose rust, look on the underside of the leaf for a bright orange flocky patch. It is unmistakeable. But you will probably never see it.

Blackspot is many times more important than other fungus diseases in your climate. Don't worry about a scattering of bad-looking leaves in late season. The Jude leaves are probably burnt from heat/drought/fertilizer.

Your camera seems to be focusing on the soil rather than the leaves. To photograph a leaf, pick it and lay it on a flat surface.


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RE: Some issues with a few of my own-roots

Thanks for the replies, will look into Bayer like you said. I have a few more pictures, ones that I was supposed to upload before but they weren't sending to my email at the time (I'm taking these from my phone)

Star of the Nile:

To think this plant was actually healthier when I first bought it from heirloom, and kept it in my porch for weeks until the spot was prepared. Was the first of my bands to bloom, beautiful bloom but it started to go downhill, as you can see in the second, more recent picture:

in July:
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2741/imag1589.jpg

recently:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1860/imag2248w.jpg

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Louise Odier

This is just another picture of her leaves, turning yellow. I'm trying to see if it's a deficiency in my soil, and want to know what I can do about it, maybe someone would know more than I do. It seems to have green veins but just yellow leaves:

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2787/imag2271q.jpg

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Mary Magdalene

Love the rose, hate what the sun does to the petals (literally bleaches it).. any ideas to preventing it? haha. Also, if you take a look at the bush it thined out, I'm hoping it's just a result of the blackspot and will bounce back after a few applications of Bayer (will buy this week)

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Thanks again for all the tips, you guys are the greatest


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pictures of Mary Magdalene, forgot to post them - sorry.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9264/imag2245.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6456/imag2251.jpg


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RE: Some issues with a few of my own-roots

zone6--if you would put quote marks around those addresses for the pics and then add name of rose immediately after the address


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Oops!

Sorry about that--accidentally hit the SUBMIT button before I finished correcting the above post. Let me try again.

If you put quote marks around those addresses for the pics and then add the following (but omit the word space in brackets) immediately before the address

< a [space] h r e f =

and then add the following (but omit the word space in brackets) immediately after the address

> n a m e [space] o f [space] r o s e < / a >

you will create an actual link in your message. So much easier for us readers to click on to see your rose pics.

When you click PREVIEW, you should be able to see the link.

That was tricky trying to communicate that info to you --the message kept trying to create the link rather than telling you HOW to create a link. That is why I had to add the word space in brackets--remember, ignore the word space and the brackets.

Hope that helps.

Kate


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RE: Some issues with a few of my own-roots

You know little band roses are trickier to start than bigger potted or grafted ones. If you truly think that a rose is going to die, then dig it up ( with the least possible disturbing of the roots) and plant it in the best potting mix you can afford. Do not give it food. Just water it and somebody here will help you over winter it in the pot. Amazing how they can make a turnaround and start growing new leaves in fall when set next to a warm wall. Then you have all next summer to let them grow. I've had areas of ground that roses didn't like. Good healthy roses in pots that went downhill in soil I thought would be perfect.

If it's just heat and disease then some spray and water should cure them. If you think it's the soil then I'd pot them up and try to figure out how to fix the soil. If you get a really hot snap, put a cheap beach umbrella over the little plants until it passes. Heat almost got my bands a few times over the years. Once they get to be bigger and have a canopy of leaves shading the canes, they can manage the heat better. Hang in there with your bands because bands really do make prettier shaped bushes in the end.


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Thanks a lot for all the info (Kate as well)! I think it's just the soil in my area, it's not terrible but I just wish it was better. Very helpful information, I might just put some mulch & leaves before the winter comes, I heard that's supposed to help with keeping the ground "less" freezing than the actual temperatures. Hope that's true, haha


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RE: Some issues with a few of my own-roots

Actually, zone6, you want to do the opposite--keep the ground frozen until spring so that the rose does not go through several freeze-thaw-freeze cycles--very hard on a rose--can kill them, in fact.

Wait until late December or early January (when there are freezing temps on a regular basis). Then if you are going to use winter protection, put down the leaves, etc. Remember, you are trying to maintain the frozen state--so there will be no new growth until spring truly arrives.

Common mistake with new rose growers. We've all been there. : )

Kate


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RE: Some issues with a few of my own-roots

You are in New Jersey. Forget you ever heard the words 'winter protection'. Forget the entire concept. Anything you put around the rose is going to cause canker every time the temperature go above freezing, which is most afternoons.

If freeze-thaw killed plants, everything between New York and Washington would be a desert.


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