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jkl49 Kansas (
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Mon, Sep 19, 11 at 16:48
| Somethig tells me I already know the answer,but here goes. I have one Ebb Tide rose that i got as a root stock. So far it has grown into a rather large plant with all of the branches coming from the base of the rootstock. HOWEVER, it doesn't have any blooms or buds on any of these branche and hasn't ever had any and it has grow quite large thru the summer,even cut it back a month ago. The only branch to have any blooms was one small one growing from the top of the rootstock. I am beginning to think that all the bottom branches must be below some graft or something . Thought these rose were from rootstock and this wasn't an issue. Any help appreciated. Suppose I'll have to get another one if I can't save the one upper branch.Might be better to just get another. |
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RE: Ebb Tide Rose question
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| Can you snap a pic of it showing the habit of the canes and a close-up of the leaves? Lots of folks here are very experienced and would be able to identify Ebb Tide foliage or canes versus rootstock foliage and canes. The Neptune I planted this year had the same problem, but I was lucky enough to have about 3 canes of the grafted species to compare to the Dr. Huey canes that appeared suddenly from below the graft. |
RE: Ebb Tide Rose question
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| I would say the odds are not good, my own experience of both Ebb Tide and Midnight Blue is that they remain smaller compact plants. Believe me, if you have rootstock coming up it is MUCH easier to replace the plant than to try to fight Dr. Huey for one or two canes of what you wanted. Been there, done that. |
Ebb Tide Rose ANSWER
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| That's one of the overwhelming reasons to only buy own root roses. Another example is that in zone 5 where I once gardened there is no need to worry about winter loss of the rootstock. In those zone 5 days mail order own root nurseries were very difficult to find - I had to order from a Canadian company to get them then. These days they are abundant and many seem to be doing well as businesses as more and more people intelligently give up on grafted roses. Own root roses do take a couple of years to establish, but unless you're 93 it's worth the wait as they outperform grafted plants ever after that. Hell if I were 93 I wouldn't likely be planting anything but I can hope I will still be doing so then. And even then I would plant own root. I wish I could testify about Ebb Tide own root personally but it is one of only two roses I grow that are grafted. And only because I already knew I wanted it when I saw it in a local nursery 50% off. How could I resist? Well, I did try. I can tell you that like all grafteds I've grown, this Ebb Tide bush is UGLY compared to any and all of my own root bushes. The bush mind you. The flowers are fine.
But its ugliness dooms it to a future encounter with Mr. Shovel which I doubt I'd be planning to do if it were own root. |
RE: Ebb Tide Rose question
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| Although sometimes it is rewarding to recover a rose from rootstock takeover. Could think of it as an adventure! I've had a handful of roses on Dr. Huey with Dr. Huey takeover. As soon as those Dr. Huey shoots started growing, the grafted rose stopped. Quite completely. If you haven't already removed the rose, take a sharp knife (or saw), saw off all the canes below the graft, and make a few encouraging comments to the poor 1 Ebb Tide cane, and see what she does? I was told my Cl. Aloha was toast, and about 1 month after her Dr. Huey surgery she exploded into the gorgeous fragrant climber I had originally purchased. |
RE: Ebb Tide Rose question
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| To be sure of no recurrence, you have to remove all traces of the rootstock shoot down to a slightly hollowed socket. If you leave a stump, it probably harbors latent growth buds that will grow out readily--whereas the old roots and neck below the graft are more reluctant to generate new growth buds. IMO, a plant can always be saved if there is life in the bud union (graft) or above. |
RE: Ebb Tide Rose question
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| My Ebb Tide is a standard. It grows very vigorously and blooms alot. I would guess yoours is rootstock taken over. Good luck with it. |
RE: Ebb Tide Rose question
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| I'm very curious to know how your Ebb Tide dilemma worked out. |
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