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| Well, the year isn't over yet, but for rose growing, just about.
Have any surprises this year? Either rose(s) that really knocked your socks off, or one you expected to do really well, that didn't? I think my biggest happy surprise this year is Ketchup and Mustard. I came SO close to not buying this rose. I finally broke down, seeing a cute little specimen and planted it late spring/early summer. That cute little plant is now about 3 1/2' tall, and has been continuously covered in blooms that started out about 1 1/2" in diameter, and now are around 2 - 2 1/2" in diameter. The bloom color distinction is perfect. Its form is perfect mini-HT as buds and as it begins to open. The open blooms look like Bullseye, except with bright yellow center, and ketchup red outer. The name really bugged me at first, but really, there couldn't be a better description of the two colors. I'm quite delighted with this rose and very glad I have it. How about you? |
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| Cl. Cecile Brunner. I bought it back in 2004 when my father died, and put it in a barrel. It lived in the barrel through 3 moves and 7 years. It was OK, but not a thrilling rose, although it gave a fall heavy flush at a friend's house (very warm in her yard) but never grew enormous. We bought a house the summer of 2011, and it was the first plant in the dirt. A rose that never got higher than 4 ft over the dirt in the barrel sent up a cane that went past the eves of the house! Then it did it again! "I learned to wait until the cane is finished growing before pulling it down to be horizontal and tying it in place - I have some Very Wavy canes because I tied them down too soon!> I have canes now going from the corner of the house all the way to the front door, under the bedroom window sills. All of them at least some bits coming up off the main cane, plus lots of little branches going out from the front. Bloom next Spring should be really pretty. There's an old anonymous rose over on the south edge of our lot, and it was about 9 feet tall, with leaves and bloom (deep blue-ish red) only at the final foot of cane. Canes needed serious directional assistance, but were 1" thick or so, and much too stiff for me to successfully turn aside. So, I chopped it nearly to the ground. 6 canes went bye bye, and I decided that it would a) come back and I could direct the canes away from where they cannot go, or b) it would die and I could put something else there. It came back with both new canes coming up from the dirt, and large branches coming off the one cane I left about a foot tall because my loppers couldn't cut through it, and I couldn't find the saw that week. So, come the Spring, I'll post pictures of it and try to find out what its name is. It's possible that it's from the 60's, and maybe even from the 40's, as the original house was built in 1940, and was massively re-done in 1960, and I don't think much of anybody in the past few decades has been anything of gardener - that rose was the ONLY thing planted here besides the redwoods and oaks native here. |
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| My favorite new purchase was Eyeconic Pink Lemonade. The darn thing is STILL blooming! From the time I got it to now it's never been without some blooms. It's been really healthy too with hardly any black spot and no mildew at all. Now if it winters well.... A few other ones I already had that did really well again this year were Koko Loco, Julia Child and Dick Clark. All three are very good bloomers and fairly healthy and have proven themselves winter hardy. Although last winter wasn't much of a test, lol. Most disappointing rose of the year, well, there were two really. Both Snowfire and Fire n Ice never gave me a single bloom all year. I rescued Fire n Ice from the street bed, where I think it was getting rabbitized, and potted it up in August because it's one I really did like. Snowfire, eh, I think it's a goner. I'm sure the rabbits have been chewing it too but it came out of winter last spring with just two small green stumps and it never recovered much. It's always been a slow grower, spots and mildews like mad and is not a generous bloomer anyway so I'm just going to shovel prune it. |
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| Purple Splash climbing rose - I don't think I've ever had a first year climber be so impressive. Great growth, continuous blooms. On the disappointing side, I've finally accepted that the hybrid musks (Darlow's, Ballerina, etc.) just can't take the high desert summers in full sun. So, they've been relegated to the north side of the house where they seem to do well. Bummer - my porch is on the south side and I really like the way they look. |
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- Posted by ken-n.ga.mts 7a/7b (My Page) on Sun, Oct 28, 12 at 23:03
| My nicest surprise this year was a rose I got early (before it was suppossed to be released). The HT Dark Night. Last year it grew well, bloomed steady and had nice foliage. I did NOT prune it hard this past spring and it took off and went crazy. Right now it is a 5x5 bush. It probably has 12/15 blooms on it that are really nice. Foliage is deep, shiny green that goes all the way up to the bloom. It gets shade from mid afternoon on till sunset. No cooked blooms. This beauty has got it's spot in my garden. Disappointments?? A couple of roses took a hard hit from our late spring freeze and struggled all year. The HT, Royal Amethyst and the miniflora, Dr. John Dickman. I'll give them a little extra protection this winter and they should perform the way I expect next year. I grew them both in FL and I know what they can do. I also know some folks that grow these roses in colder climates then I live in and they do great for them. I guess they got hurt at the wrong time. |
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| Eyes for You and Blue for You, hands down! Both are simply gorgeous; incredibly fragrant and totally disease and insect free the whole year. And, both are still pumping out flowers. I haven't been this completely impressed with a rose in a very long time, and there are TWO of them! Kim |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Sun, Oct 28, 12 at 23:46
| Elle We were given a pair as standards, they got planted at a house being flipped, left with little care while the house was sold, dug up and moved in to two hard to dig holes. I love them! Second is my little Reine des Violettes band that is working on being five feet tall in the few months we have had her. |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Mon, Oct 29, 12 at 9:49
| Francis Blaise - this French rose gives me tons of bloom, there's at least 6 buds left, we have light frost today. The floral myrrh scent is better than Scepter'd Isle and Queen of Sweden. Only Mary Magdalene can beat this one in terms of myrrh. Firefighter and 2007 Sweet Promise are big producers. I got at least 80+ cut flowers per bush, very good for gallon-size planted in April. Drawback? Both are hybrid teas and stopped blooming when frost hit. Honey Bouquet - I like this yellow rose even more than Golden Cel. Vase life is 5 days, stood up to summer heat at 100 degress well. It smells yummy like honey. Now it has at least 10 buds in frost, it's only 1' x 1'. Deep Purple - this almost thornless baby loves heat. It bloomed in our scorching hot summer above 90s'. It smells really good in cold fall. Below is a bouquet of Francis Blaise, Golden Cel., Deep Purple, and Pink Peace. Pink Peace is another surprise: low-thorn, tons of blooms, strong scent that lasts long in the vase. |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Mon, Oct 29, 12 at 10:00
| Sorry for the typo: that yellow in the vase is Honey Bouquet, not Golden Cel. The dark pink top left is Pink Peace, the lavender is Deep Purple, and the rest are Francis Blaise. I give my roses lots of horse manure, they are productive healthy in this frosty October, zone 5a. The pile of horse manure at the stable nearby is HUGE, taller than one-story house. It's great stuff as mulch, nice and fluffy, and suppress weeds better than tree bark. I get the composted horse manure, the dark stuff where weeds can't sprout. One time I got fresh horse manure by mistake, and there were tons of oats sprouting. That's only one time out of many times with zero weeds with COMPOSTED manure. Horse manure is high in potassium and iron.
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| My Souvenir de la Malmaison comes as close to being a perfect rose as possible. No disease or even yellow or crummy-looking leaves, constant, fragrant blooms that stayed pink during the summer, constant new growth and blooms, and growing like gangbusters. It doesn't have a single negative except that it may outgrow its space. I can say almost the same for its sport, Kronprinzessin Viktoria von Preussen. A more quiet victory has been Spice, which I'd considered getting rid of because I needed the space and it was just sitting there. When I removed a giant day lily near it, mulched, watered and fertilized it well, and disbudded it regularly, it decided to grown and show me what it could really do. It's staying and I'm looking forward to the spring bloom, at which time of course I'll stop disbudding it. I'm a firm believer now that disbudding will revive roses that arent't growing well, are losing their leaves and looking gaunt, and that just need a general overhaul. I'm hoping that my surprise rose for 2013 will be Earth Song, planted a few weeks ago. I can't wait to see what the bloom looks like, although I'll be disbudding that one too. I'd like a fairly large bush next year with lots of flowers to look forward to next year. Ingrid |
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| Toro is definitley a keeper, I'm really pleased with it looks and performance. I didn't care for its name at first, but now I know why they named it after a bull. The blooms are dark red with a very large double globular form and high center with large dark green leaves. The 100 degree weather we had this summer didn't bother it all. I think it actually enjoyed the heat. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Mon, Oct 29, 12 at 16:15
| Ingrid, how big is your Souvenir de la Malmaison? And does anyone know if she likes the coast? |
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| Kippy, it's about 3 to 3 1/2 feet tall but very wide, at least five feet. I understand it's not at all good at the coast. I've heard Jeri state it was a complete disaster in her coastal garden, and I don't know how far away she is from the water. The humidity and cool air make the flowers ball, and it's also really prone to disease; I think it mildews but am not sure if that's the only problem. |
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- Posted by northtexasdude 7b (My Page) on Mon, Oct 29, 12 at 22:24
| Neptune! I was expecting it to be a slow starter, which it was. But the few blooms it put out where so beautifully shaped, lasted a long time, were a beautiful lavender color, and smelled wonderful! Here is to hoping next year brings forth more blooms. |
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| The nicest surprises among my roses this year were Titian, Pergolese, and Goldregen. Titian has showy pinkish, redish blooms, very double, produced all season. Branches grow at wide angles to each other, making a very attractive habit. There was a tiny bit of BS towards the very end of a bad season. Pergolese, from Pickering, bloomed over and over again this summer, putting paid to the rumour that it is really a once blooming Gallica. The color is the most marvelous bluish purple, not quite so dark as Indigo. Goldregen is a yellow climber from Noack, I know, not necessarily a good idea in Zone 5, but growth is so vigorous that I think I might be able to preserve it with good protection. Goldregen grows like Cl Sunflare, with large and long canes going straight up. The flowers are quite wonderfull, frilled like Angel Face, and about 4" across. |
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| Roses ordered this spring: Nastarana--what a gorgeous plant--healthy, vigorous, virtually non-stop sweet blooms from a band from Greenmantle. It's filled out a seven gal. pot. Talisman--another GM rose. I had to begbegbeg the nice lady to send it, as she felt her plant was too small--she even SENT it WITH a refund check--I didn't cash it of course. It's a fine healthy plant & what a thrill to see the lovely blooms of this mostly disregarded old rose. Dang hard to find nowdays. Champneys Pink Cluster--Finally got a ten year old plant out of a pot into the ground & it shot up to 6' & never stopped all hot, dry, summer long. Chamblees plant Brilliant Pink Iceberg--as floriferous as the grand old Iceberg. From J&P. Mme. Laurette Messime--covered with flowers except for the very hottest 6 weeks of this ridiculously hot dry year. Another rose that had to suffer many years in a pot but got planted last year. another Chamblees plant--boy I have some old stock from them. Memorial Day--from J&P. Very large blooms, fragrant, did well. I hope the J&Ps will survive my climate & stay healthy--so far they look very healthy. R. moschata plena, from RU--first order from them & what health plants! They looked great when they came & have grown & bloomed steadily since. Curly Pink has huge fragrant very full long lasting blooms like PC Permanent Wave is just cute. I had one a long time ago. It's hard for me to forgive lack of fragrance, but I just like its little ruffled blooms. Well, heck, I just like everything I ordered this year, but I really want to emphasize how great the plants from Roses Unlimited & Greenmantle were, as this was a first order for me. I have done less mail ordering because I used to have the luxury of visiting Chamblees yearly. But they have cut way back on the OGRs they offer. Sleighbell, Bewitched, Baronne Prevost from Vintage are very healthy too. I have had more die-off from their bands in previous years--due, I'm sure from my own mismanagement & hard climate--but this spring's plants did very well. Some plants from a big-box nursery look poor now--Hot Cocoa, dbl Pink Knockout. But Brilliant Pink Iceberg came from the same place & is great. Pickering's plants were their typical robust selves, but Comte de Chambord looks poor & some of the HPs aren't happy. New climate for me & the soil is very alkaline--I need to baby these guys & improve the soil. |
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| Strawberry Hill: Just wanted to say what a beautiful bowl of roses. Well grown, well placed and well photographed. I also agree with you about Honey Bouquet.....Maryl |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Wed, Oct 31, 12 at 14:57
| Thanks, Bluebird, for the info. about your roses - good reference for the future. Hi Maryl: My other favorite yellow is Arthur Bell, this one doesn't like heat, but smells good in cold weather. Below is a bouquet I picked today, Halloween Oct. 31. Arthur Bell is the yellow on top, Evelyn is the big pink, Mary Magdalene is peachy pink, William Shakespeare is the dark red, next to it is Sonia Rykiel in bud form. White Bolero is the biggest surprise for 2012: always blooming even in 100 degrees heat. Smells like waterlily. Arthur Bell smells similar to Evelyn, but no scent can match Mary Magdalene. |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a (My Page) on Wed, Oct 31, 12 at 15:15
| Hi Bluegirl: My computer is acting up, too cold here, sticky keyboard, sticky mouse .... I got distracted and mistyped your name, bluegirl, as bluebird. Sorry about that. I appreciate the info. about your roses. I wish more people would list how their roses perform like you did. My Heirloom rose bought from Walmart for $4 did poorly, only one tiny branch sprouted, the rest of rootball died. I should had bought it as own-root from Chamblee's in Texas. |
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| Hey Strawberryhill :) Gorgeous roses. Isn't Arthur Bell a Radiance sport or child? That's another fine rose I once had & want to replace. Both Radiance & Red Radiance did very well & had pretty cupped blooms & good fragrance. I also miss Peace & Pink Peace. PinkP had a great fragrance & all the Peaces have such HUGE blooms. A great (one of the few) yellow for me was Sunsprite. Technically a FL, but it had very good sized blooms--well shaped, fragrant, constantly produced with lush healthy foliage. It thrived in a hot coastal zone9 humid climate I had a major rose wipeout a few years back & am trying to replace old favorites in a new climate. I've tried a couple of bigbox store Heirlooms & Peaces but haven't gotten strong plants tho the varieties have good reputations. Same with Angel Face--I'll have to try from a better name source-someday. Roseseek, I've been lusting after Blue for You since you posted pics a while back. Hope someone propagates & offers it for sale soon. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Wed, Oct 31, 12 at 21:33
| Hopefully I can stop and get some photos tomorrow, but we have Jubilee Celebration putting on a show, Yves Piaget, Ebb Tide and crocus all busy with a bud or few. |
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- Posted by canadian_rose zone 3a (My Page) on Wed, Oct 31, 12 at 23:22
| My surprise was Royal Kate. I just picked it up on a whim - it flowered nonstop with gorgeous flowers. Here it is: |
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| Such gorgeous photos everyone. Strawberry, your last bouquet was positively mouthwatering. I am so jealous you have Evelyn to pick this time of year. Between the deer eating every bud on one Evelyn, and tree competition ruining my other Evelyns, I have not one single E bloom to moon over. But my big performer this season was Frederic Mistral. He has supplied me with many a bouquet this fall. I'll try to get some photos posted. Canadian rose that Royal Kate is just sumptuous. Is she available in the U.S.? Is she an Austin? Thanks for the eye candy everyone. Diane |
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| I think you're thinking of Mrs. Charles Bell instead of Arthur Bell, Bluegirl. I don't blame you. Blue for You NEEDS to be re released here. I can well imagine the issue is licensing as it IS patented here in the US. If anyone is going to release it, I would expect it to be Heirloom as they are the final stop for all the EuroDesert material and Cliff imported and sold it. Vintage had a very few plants according to their web site, but I'm still betting on it being Heirloom to eventually release it. Kim |
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| thanks for the info, Kim! Beautiful roses everyone:) |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Thu, Nov 1, 12 at 11:56
| Hi Diane: I have the same problem with tree roots stealing water from Sonia Rykiel, I'll move her elsewhere. One guy in the Soil Forum claimed that he successfully kept the deer away by peeing the entire length of his garden. Irish Spring Soap worked well here in keeping the animals away, but our constant rain in spring and fall would turn my garden into a bubble bath. Since I promised Vicky in our Chicagoland that I'll post pics of my favorite bush, Annie L. McDowell, bred by Kim Rupert (Roseseek), I'll post the flower first, then its 100% thornless branch taken today at 40 degrees temp, it's droopy since I transferred from pot to ground recently. Annie L.M. has the prettiest foliage in my garden, zero prickles. Jay-Jay in the Netherlands posted pics of his grafted Annie with a tiny bit of prickle, but my Annie L.M. from Burlington is 100% smooth. Annie's scent is the biggest surprise: a heavenly mix of lilac and lavender ... she leads the pack, beating Comte de Chambord and all Austins.
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- Posted by canadian_rose zone 3a (My Page) on Thu, Nov 1, 12 at 13:14
| Wow!! Strawberry Hill - that's soooo pretty!!! I love it!!! And no thorns - that's a winner!!! Diane - no - she's not an Austin. Can't remember what she it. But she gets tons of flowers. Everyone who sees her loves this rose!! |
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| Strawberry, Your Annie is indeed a lovely one, and I'm really impressed with the thornless branch, which I don't think I've ever seen before. I just wanted to mention that I do use pee to ward off deer, but it's cat pee--in those clumped balls stolen from our cat litter box. And I do call them pee balls, which I then put in old plastic dishes. The dishes either go in the branches of the roses, or they are placed in the seats of large lawn chairs which I squeeze in gaps along the back lawn edge which abruptly borders a steep slope down to a wild draw full of sagebrush and other wild plants. One Evelyn rose is almost on the slope and is impossible to well protect, along with several other roses. It's been a real battle this year. Diane |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Thu, Nov 1, 12 at 15:15
| That's a great idea, Diane, cat-pee-ball. We gave away our cat due to our allergies. But the neighbor's cats kept peeing in my rose garden. I found this post in Garden Experiment forum ... best wishes to your Evelyn. Posted by Nandina 8b: I have been watching with great interest the extreme efforts a friend has made to repel deer. Nothing worked. She tried them all. Her problem is so severe that the deer climb ten steps onto the porch and attack her hanging baskets. This spring she was in K-Mart and spotted an inexpensive form of the blue Tidy Bowl gizmo that you hang in the toilet tank at about $.50 apiece. Desperate to solve her deer problem she bought a few and hung them in places she wished to protect. Deer damage stopped. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Thu, Nov 1, 12 at 16:34
| So far having the guys "mark" my back beds have solved my skunk issues...just have not had the nerve to have them do the front ones yet. But the neighbors are all thinking about doing the same thing, so maybe us ladies need to leave for tea and leave the guys with a few cases of beer.... |
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| Thanks for the Tidy Bowl info, strawberry. I'm going to try it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'm afraid the neighbors might see the male of the family marking things, and there would be more trouble than what we've got with the deer! Diane |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Thu, Nov 1, 12 at 19:44
| Kippy and Diane: That was funny, I had a good laugh. Thanks. |
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| What a gorgeous rose--dang, I need to quit visiting here. Kim--what a great legacy to bred such a beautiful rose. I always wanted to breed one for my Mom. I want a pony, too. Re. critter repellants, I think the first time I read about humans marking turf was in Farley Mowat's (sp) funny book about his time in the wild studying a wolf pack (was it In the Company of Wolves?). He drank tea all night, marked across a patch of their daily patrolled territory & was surprised to see them "respect" his infringement the next morning as they re-marked their turf. |
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| Thanks bluegirl. Remember, ponies DO generate a lot of "fertilizer" and are wonderful if you have the time, room and money to support them. BUT, they LOVE eating roses as much as deer do. Kim |
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| LOL! My old cowhorse scarffed down my Dad's pear tree babies. I miss having unlimited on-site poop of every variety. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Thu, Nov 1, 12 at 23:05
| I feed the rose petals to my bosses goats as I walk past them, this time of year I leave the heads on, but all summer the roses got deadheaded right to the waiting goats |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Fri, Nov 2, 12 at 9:45
| Hi Bluegirl: Since I use afalfa meal, it attracts animals which give "unlimited on-site poop of every variety" ...such as cats, dogs, racoons, squirrels, and bunnies, plus my horse manure pile. I have to hold my nose in my garden! Kim Rupert also bred Lynnie, 90% free of thorns, almost smooth. It's more drought-tolerant than Knock-out, very mildew and BS resistant. It's more upright and compact than other shrubs. It blooms well in partial shade, and I don't water this one. The hummingbirds and bees like Lynnie a lot, the color glows from a distance. Blooms are hot pink in summer, and red in fall:
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- Posted by vickysgarden 5 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 2, 12 at 9:57
| Strawberryhill, those are really pretty pictures of your roses...they look SO healthy and full of life! The blooms on Annie Laurie are really pretty, and I like that is is drought tolerant and no-fuss. |
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| It's nice to hear everyone's enjoying, for the most part, their new roses. What an exciting thing to watch as nature unfolds its beauty before your eyes! My experience this year has been mostly pleasant.... Better than expected ---- Dick Clark has outperformed in both bloom production and vigor other much more mature roses in the same bed. New Zealand in the same bed has done NOTHING.... 2 twigs and 5 leaves. NZ looked better when still in the pot from the nursery. If she does not perk up in spring will have move her to a pot and try another spot. White Licorice and Carefree Beauty (a Buck rose) have been very good. New Austins that have been really good --- Jubilee Celebration (good in a vase, strong fragrance and vigorous). Sir John Betjeman and Christopher Marlowe are both very nice in a vase and have been disease free and vigorous. Molineux has not flowered much even though it is right next to Marlowe. Disappointments.... Walking on Sunshine in the fall has spotted flowers that fail to open completely. Produces lots of flowers but still disappointing; much better in spring. Reve d' Or is just now starting to show some vigor but is healthy and disease free. Here's hoping year 2 will be the year. My best to everyone during the upcoming holidays! |
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| (Preview)is my friend...(preview)is my friend...preview.. Don;t no weather mine tYpin or pfovereadin is wors, sigh--sorry Thanks for sharing the great photos & recommendations! |
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- Posted by jaspermplants 9 az (My Page) on Fri, Nov 2, 12 at 20:34
| Tipsy Imperial Concubine has been in the ground about 2 years and this fall she is beginning to bloom. Her blooms are spectacular. They are beautiful from bud to open bloom. Incredible number of petals that when fully open have a star-like shape. Wonderful fragrance. She's healthy and easy to grow in my climate. I highly recommend her for a hot, dry climate. Also, Duchess D'Auerstadt is really coming into own after 2 years in the ground. Big, fat buds open into lovely flowers. Beautiful, soft yellow. Very graceful bush (climber) as well. Love her! |
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| D. d'Auerstadt can be a truly amazing climber, once she's established and happy. I hope she endures your AZ heat and does well for you. She's a great rose! Kim |
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| Not so much a surprise, but definitely fulfilling all the high expectations I had for her was my new Lady of Shalott (Austin)-- healthy and vigorous, good bloomer for its first year, and reasonably good against the excessive heat we had all summer. Just hope I didn't damage her--it's been so dry lately here--I turned the sprinkler on her late afternoon yesterday and forgot it was on. Clambered out of bed at 4:00 this morning to see if the sprinkler was still going--sure enough, it was! I've been worried ever since about my favorite new rose. Keep telling myself it can't be any worse than if it rains all night--but I feel guilty as heck anyway! I've shown this pic before, but want to show off the Lady of Shalott one more time (she's named after a character in a Tennyson poem, by the way). This is from last spring, her first blooming:
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- Posted by canadian_rose zone 3a (My Page) on Sat, Nov 3, 12 at 14:25
| leezen4u - Ironic that here in SUCH a different zone that I have a new New Zealand planted in a pot. It did nothing too!! I have it in the garage in a pot, and hopefully, it will do better next year. CArol |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Sat, Nov 3, 12 at 14:36
| Hi Carol: The New Zealand bed at the rose park nearby, zone 5a, doesn't bloom unless it's really wet. One really wet fall I saw them blooming, but I wasn't impressed, they flop over, and the scent was so-so. |
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- Posted by Karolina11 6a (My Page) on Sun, Nov 4, 12 at 1:23
| Kate, I am glad to hear your Lady of Shalot is doing well. I have her for spring delivery! Is yours in full sun or in partial sun by any chance? I just removed a large tree which opened a lot of sun in my yard but I think the spot I want for her is still dappled for a part of the day. My biggest surprised were Love and Bewitched. Both were from home depot clearanced this summer in the heatwave. I wasn't even sold on the color of Love but figured I would give it a try. Both have grown very well and are still blooming with no sign of disease or blackspot while roses next to them are defoliating due to it. Can't wait to see them in year two. |
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| Karolina--you'll love Lady of Shalott! Hard to say how much sun she gets--in the earlier morning, a neighbor's giant oak doesn't let the sun through as promptly as I would like, then there is the garage shadow that passes partially over her (quickly, fortunately), but then there is the other neighbor's giant oak and my smoke tree that give her some passing afternoon shade--but I think she probably likes that last bit, considering how hot it gets here in Kansas. I've found that most Austin's appreciate some afternoon sun for a bit during our hot, hot, hot summers. Yet I think she still gets a good 6 hours of sun, maybe even more--and if I remember correctly, Austin does not list her as one that grows well in partial shade. I'd err on the side of more sun rather than more shade myself. I'd basically say she is a sun-lover--for an Austin, that is. Kate |
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| I meant above that "most Austin's appreciate some afternoon SHADE [not sun] for a bit during our hot, hot, hot summers." Must remember to "preview" before pressing "submit." Sorry about that. Kate |
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| Kate, Where did you order/buy your Lady of Shalott from? Also, I'm wondering if you have a recommendation of an easier to grow blood/bright red rose! |
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- Posted by canadian_rose zone 3a (My Page) on Sun, Nov 4, 12 at 21:39
| StrawberryHill - looks like a rose I can contemplate replacing if it doesn't do well this summer. :) Carol |
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| Ella, I forget things like which rose came from which nursery, but since Lady of Shalott was ordered while it was still considered "new," I'd guess the only place it was available was from the David Austin site itself--I often buy my Austins from his site. What kind of red rose are you looking for? My favorites--several different kinds--are: Braveheart--Clements shrub with some of Austin's Dark Lady in its background--available, I think, from Roses Unlimited. Does have some minor BS problems periodically, but not real bad. Gorgeous dark red blooms. Dublin Bay climber--talk about "blood red"--this is it! About 10 ft tall (I have it on a pillar). Pretty good disease-resistance. Chrysler Imperial hybrid tea--shorter HT--most gorgeous velvety red blooms, great fragrance. Hope that helps. Kate |
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- Posted by roseblush1 8a/Sunset 7 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 5, 12 at 14:54
| Strawberry Hill... Just a note about 'Lynnie'. The plant can grow quite wide and not quite as "upright' as you described above. The trick is to kind of peg the new canes at the base of the plant so that they are growing at a 45 degree angle and once established, they continue to grow out in that direction. Before I planted the irises in that bed, 'Lynnie' was over 8 feet wide and well over 6 feet tall. I lost a lot of the bottom growth due to the irises and have had to start over, but my plant is still at least 6 feet wide. I think my plant is larger than the norm because I have to disbud the rose every spring, along with all of my other roses, to keep rose curculios from breeding in my garden and that energy has to go somewhere. I think that cultural practice allows the rose to grow a bigger plant. Smiles, |
Here is a link that might be useful: Lynnie with a wider growth habit
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| Your Lynnie was a REAL surprise for me, too, Lyn! I'd never seen her grow that large. Enthusiastically, yes, huge, no! Kim |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Mon, Nov 5, 12 at 19:14
| Thanks for the info., Lyn, that would be useful for someone in a warm zone. Everything here dies to the crown in zone 5a, including Knock-outs. They become tiny shoots 4" tall late May. Eight years old Knock-outs in that bed are slender too. Lynnie is very skinny and slender now, I hope she grows wider .... that bed is so wet, and everything are shalow-root and tiny. |
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| YOU. You TEMPTERS. You ENABLERS. You think I'm MADE of money? You think I have a TEAM of gorillas to chop holes for me? Gorgeous roses everyone. Love reading about your beautiful plants & how they are doing. I like to scratch the name of the nursery I bought from & the date on the name tags, too. Still have some old Wayside plants. |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Tue, Nov 6, 12 at 9:44
| You made me laugh, bluegirl. Thanks. I love your sense of humor. |
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| Yer sweet, Strawberryhill, thanks. I appreciate your informative posts & gorgeous pictures. Karolina11: I got a Vintage Bewitched & its flowers are huge & fragrant here, too. A 'body-bag' LOVE thrown in a scorched bed last year with very little care has done fine & had lots of blooms. Love the reverse white/red Jaspermplants: Been looking at TIC's picture on Greenmantle's site. Silly name, but your description of fragrance & blooms may make me actually buy it. |
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| A couple more hugely pleasant surprises for me this year, I noted as I was procrastinating from working, walking through the garden this morning. cl. Pink Don Juan - huge, vigorous, disease free, and covered in wonderfully fragrant HT form roses, perfect for cutting. Young Lycidas - I've had a bloom in a vase for 3 days now. It's still gorgeous, and I just can't believe how purple and fragrant it is. Belinda's Dream. Ok, this shouldn't be a surprise to me. But, it was so "hyped", that I figured it couldn't live up to its expectations. I bought a piddly, bloom free 2.5 gallon, lightly diseased at Home Depot a few months ago. It has grown about a foot, and has about 10 PERFECT great big pink, intense blooms exploding out of it. Talk about instant gratification. And it's in a cruddy, partially shady spot, where I just yanked year old Mr. Lincoln, with only 1 cane, about 6' tall, and one tiny bud on the top of it. Yuck! I put that guy in full sun. Definitely not what I was expecting for infamous Mr. Lincoln (and I checked, the bean stalk isn't Dr. Huey...) Well, I guess Abe Lincoln was supposed to be tall and thin... |
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| Eyes for You has been revelatory - there are fresh fat buds even now. In general, the hulthemias have been astoundingly healthy, resisting the usual late summer blackspot-fest in east anglia. Completely new to me was a single lilac, Odyssey, bred by the same chap who created Rhapsody in Blue and Purple Skyliner (Frank Cowlishaw). I think, Kim, that he also works very closely with Peter James (Eyes and Blue) and Chris Warner. Certainly, Odyssey has been a cool slatey colour without any pink tones and has a vigour which is often lacking in mauve roses. Most joyous rose has been Scharlachglut. I bought this to act as an allotment endstop, opposite a huge R.moyesii at the opposite end. Even after only one year, it has glowed in front of a seedling rowan tree with a massive clump of glaucous euphorbia at its feet. And the heps! This year, to my distress, I actually killed a Paul's Scarlet Climber while Hot Chocolate was particularly feeble. Most horrid of all though, is an Austin - Summer Song. What a disaster. One huge cane with 2 measly blooms at the end. No matter what I tried (extra feeding, pruning, water, threatening), it simply sulked and scowled. Destined for the compost heap (a drastic act, hardly ever resorted to because I am cheap - a plant really has to be a bummer). |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Wed, Nov 7, 12 at 22:32
| Hi Camp: I'm so sorry to hear about your Summer Song. My Austin Eglantyne is the same ... I wasted money on it twice, one died last winter, and the new one gave me only 2 blooms. Thanks for the info. on the creator of Rhapsody in Blue. Hi Bluegirl: I'm posting this new surprise for me, Norwich Sweetheart mini. It's loaded with blooms after many frosts in November, my zone 5a. The scent is so potent that it perfumes my entire patio. It's a very refreshing scent, better than Crimson Glory. It's so small that you won't need a team of gorillas to chop holes for you, some baby squirrels that bury nuts for the winter would do. It's cheap too, only $7.50 from Burlington in California. She sells Kim's stuff like Annie L. McDowell, Lynnie, Lauren, and other purples like International Herald Tribune, Stephen's Big Purple, plus 380 big roses and 160 minis. Below is a pic. of mini rose Norwich Sweetheart, the bloom is big, very fragrant, and double. It makes good cut-flower: |
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| OooohNoooo...! Seriously, thanks for the recommendation AND telling where to buy it. I had surfed over to Burlingon & was somewhat relieved to see they were out of Annie. I never thought to look at the minis--so few are strongly fragrant--or at all fragrant. STRONGER than Crimson Glory?! I gotta get my nose around that one. I know everyone's heard of it, but ICEBERG deserves a re-mention. What a great rose--such a pure white, so floriferous, fragrant, an easy-keeper, readily available at modest prices. I'm enjoying a HDepot bush that's been in the ground ~2ys. Has blooms to cheer me almost every month of the year. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Thu, Nov 8, 12 at 21:28
| I don't know if it is me or the time of year. But I see white icebergs all over busy blooming and blooming. I need to ask the neighbor if I can take a picture of her backyard, Mexican Sage in front and Iceberg behind them. Pretty combo. And have seen it a few other places too. Maybe those two colors just pop this time of year. Purple and white. |
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| There's a strip mall down the boulevard which has the Purple Queen Bougainvillea tightly sheared into a large hedge with white Iceberg exploding out of it, Kippy. Both receive sun and heat most of the daylight hours and have color nearly all the time. That weed simply flowers thirteen months of the year here. Wonderful landscape rose! Kim |
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- Posted by HerdingCats 9/Sunset 20 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 11:56
| My surprise this year? That I actually have roses. Which are actually growing. And actually giving me blooms. And that I found this site and while you all are insane enablers to be sure, you're also teaching me tons, and tons, and TONS of stuff. Lots of great surprises for me. Thank you ALL so very much. Now, if anyone can tell me where I can get an Annie Laurie, I'd be more than happy to indulge myself once again. ;) LOL Best- |
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| The only two sources I know for sure which are propagating Annie Laurie McDowell (Annie Laurie is a Clemments' shrub) are Burlington Roses and Long Ago Roses. You occasionally find it listed at Angel Gardens, but I've never found it actually in stock there and have never had any contact with the owner of the place. I have regular contact with the other two and know they are working on producing stock for sale. I have provided both Burlington and Long Ago with propagating material of my roses. Kim |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 13:31
| Hi Herding Cats: I love your user's name. Both Burlington Roses in CA and Long Ago Roses sell very healthy band sizes at $10 (LongAgoRoses) to $11 (Burlington's big roses). I grow them in pots and Roseseek's creation, Annie L. McDowell became a huge 2-gallons rootball. I like band-size since they bloom immediately within a month of purchase. Both Annie L. McDowell and Norwich Sweetheart are 100% thornless, and have great scents. Annie L. McDowell is rust & mildew & and BS-resistant, 100% clean, plus drought-tolerant. Norwich Sweetheart had a tiny bit of BS, but cleared up when I mulched it with horse manure. At such great prices, $10 for Annie and $7.50 for Norwich Sweetheart, they are sold out fast, best ordered early. My other favorite zero diseases is Deep Purple, almost thornless, it's a Kordes rose and stand up to 100 degrees heat. It smells good in cold weather. Bloom lasts 1 week in vase, and 2 weeks on the bush. See Deep Purple's clean foliage below, photo taken in wet weather: |
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- Posted by mariannese 5b (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 6:23
| My biggest surprise for 2012 and for every year since 2007 is that Secret Garden Musk Climber still lives and to top it, it flowered this year. I planted it as an experiment and I've expected it to die since 2008. In 2010 I planted a Perennial Blue almost on top of it because I was convinced that it had died at last. It's a huge plant but flowers sparsely in its dark corner. Does anyone else grow it in zone 5? |
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| Number one has to be Yves Piaget. Now that it has been growing for several years, the blooms are outstanding. Big fluffy, long lasting and an aroma to die for. Close second is WS2000. I have to stop myself from chopping them all off to bring into the house. The blooms on Love Potion are so sweet. Tournament of Roses and Sexy Rexy are gorgeous bloom machines. Golden Fairy Tale is turning into a round little sweet bush. Love it. Disneyland, the blooms are gorgeous, especially this time of year. Pope John Paul II is a slow grower, but the blooms are worth it. Polka climber is really surprising. The blooms are getting bigger and the fragrance is out of this world. So glad I gave her a chance. |
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- Posted by ken-n.ga.mts 7a/7b (My Page) on Wed, Nov 14, 12 at 16:13
| Another nice surprise for me has been the HT, Snuffy. Also the David Austin rose, Carding Mill. (own root) it has been a very full bush and blooming machine. Really like the blooms and color. |
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- Posted by HerdingCats 9/Sunset 20 (My Page) on Thu, Nov 15, 12 at 12:26
| Thanks for the info re: Annie Laurie. I'll definitely look into that. Another surprise for me was when I sp'd the Double Delight...stuck it in a 5 gal. bucket of water, and in 10 days or so gave me a bud. I've repotted it, and it now has 4 more buds on it. I have NO idea how or why that happened, but now I need to find a home for it. LOL. I'm doing the same thing with a poorly producing Midas Touch, and while it's not given me blooms, it's given me new growth. I don't understand this whatsoever, but I'm not complaining...just voicing some serious surprise at the Double Delight's return from the dead. Best- |
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- Posted by socks12345 Zone 9 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 16, 12 at 23:43
| I had an intresting experience with Tropicana this summer. It has been in the garden probably 15 years, always sickly, plastered with mildew and bad-looking blooms. I finally decided to remove it and ruthlessly hacked off the canes, but the base and stump were so huge and solid that I could not get it out, so I decided just to let it rot in place. You can probably guess what happened--the bush resprouted and looks so healthy and has beautiful roses. That was my surprise this year. Hope it does the same next year. We had a brutal summer, but the roses are looking better now. |
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- Posted by gothiclibrarian 5b (My Page) on Sun, Nov 18, 12 at 8:54
| I tried my hardest to kill my Souvenir de la Malmaison by attrition (moving during the heat of summer...you might remember our drought...and then not really trying to keep her alive) and I'll be darned if she's not come back! (She had terrible mildew this spring and so I moved her to a sunnier spot with fewer "friends" to crowd her. If the mildew is as bad next spring though look for me listing her on Craigslist...) My biggest "surprise" other than the tenacity of SdlM was my new alba, Blush Hip.
The flowers on this one are really long lasting and a very dark pink for the class. She's not as common as a lot of the others and I have to say after having also grown Königin von Dänemark that she's my new favorite "dark pink" alba. She's *big*...and doing very well on her own roots (which hasn't always been my experience with albas). Cheers! |
Here is a link that might be useful: GothicLibrarian.net
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| Anika, what is the central white/lavender flower in this picture? |
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- Posted by gothiclibrarian 5b (My Page) on Wed, Nov 21, 12 at 6:13
| Minflick, that's 3 differently aged blooms from Blush Hip. I found her old blooms (like the one in the middle you're asking about) particularly lovely. So in order of age the one at the left is just starting to open, the one on the right is fully open (a little blown, to be honest and starting to fade) and the one in the middle is toast. Cheers! |
Here is a link that might be useful: GothicLibrarian.net
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| Thanks Anika, I would never have guessed that it's the same flower. Wow. Interesting! Melinda |
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Campanula, I'm so jealous of you & your EYES FOR YOU! Now that's a rose we need to get over here in the US! But, a really lovely "similar" rose I got from Edmunds this season that did very well for me is BULL'S EYE. Beautiful Hulthemia big-eyed blooms that change color and repeat really well. Loved it!  And a new one I got from Pickering from Fryer's is JAM & JERUSALEM. Lovely apricot-y peachy blooms that repeated really well throughout the season. Kind of a shortish plant, but very lovely. Yet another one I got from Pickering is LET'S CELEBRATE, another Fryer rose. This first season it didn't do all that great, but the deer got to it a couple of times. But the blooms are going to be very interesting to watch over the next few yrs as the plant matures. It's a very interesting mauve with a white reverse, and it's supposed to get all speckly and spotty. Mine did a little bit, but, like I said the deer got to it so I only ever got the one flush on it. Plus it's in a pot in a not-so-sunny area of the yard. I think I need to move it... or just get it in the ground! And a rose I got from Vintage at the end of the season here, is PICNIC. The cute little plant arrived with two whopping blooms that lasted for weeks! I'm gonna love this one!! Oh, and one of my absolute favorites from this yr was actully one of the J&P test roses. Not sure if they will every release it, but I sure hope so. It's gorgeous!! I certainly hope someone does start selling BLUE FOR YOU again soon. You guys are missing out on a truly gorgeous and verrry "blue" rose! Got mine from Cliff before he closed up, and it's been a real stunner. It's in mostly shade. Does really well! |
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| It's ironic, Beth, but I just received an email from Tom Carruth about Eyes for You. He said they tested it at Week's for three years and couldn't get a plant under it. It didn't grow well for them either budded or own root. Fortunately, that hasn't been my experience with it potted (own root) here. They tested Bull's Eye and decided on that one instead, probably because it grew better for them, even though it is subject to mildew where Eyes doesn't seem to be. Lack of vigor is also reported from the extreme south of Australia, but not so much from Britain, so it appears it's milder conditions Eyes seems to prefer. Piecing information together, it seems both Bull's Eye and Eyes for You are of the same breeding. Both stem from CHEWtingle, the SCRIVbell X (Tigris X Baby Love) seedling, crossed with Blue for You. What a break Blue for You appears to be! Eyes for You appears to have inherited its wonderful disease resistance (and scent!) from Blue for You. Other than how long the flowers last in my climate, I find nothing objectionable about Blue for You! I hope someone succeeds in licensing it here so it can easily be offered again. Both of these are great garden roses for me, with amazing scents and gorgeous blooms! Kim |
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| What stunningly gorgeous roses, Beth, and as always so unusual. I love them all. Is Picnic a mini or a full sized rose? Thanks for the info, Kim. I, for, one would love to grow Blue for You, if it could stand our hot, dry summers. |
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| You're welcome nanadoll. I know the plant could withstand your hot and dry. I don't know about the flowers, but I would suspect Blue for You would be a better choice for your summers than Rhapsody in Blue, which tends to shut down in extreme heat. From experience, Blue for You keeps pumping out the growth and flowers as long as it has the minimums of what it needs. If you can provide it a bit of shade protection from the hottest temps and most brilliant sun, the flowers will be much better, but that's usual for most roses. Kim |
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| Aawww, that's a major bummer, Kim. I was sooo hoping someone would sell EYES FOR YOU here. Oh well... Yeah, if you look closely at my pic of BULL'S EYE, you can see a bit of mildew on the leaves. But it didn't last very long. Nanadoll, PICNIC is an older floribunda from J&P, 1966 |
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| Well, Eyes for You isn't patented, so that isn't a stumbling block to its getting into commerce here. I am pretty comfortable you'll see it on a nursery list before too long. Kim |
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