While this is the main fund raiser for the California Coastal Rose Society, it is also a way of saving many varieties from extinction. I believe that every rose garden has room for at least one rare rose to help ensure the protection of the gene pool for future generations.

Internet bidding is encouraged (www.ccrsauction.com for details and complete list). The society will hold roses for spring shipment to bidders from colder areas of the country should they desire. Last year's winning bids went from $3 to a record high of $275 for a 3' tall Simsalabim in full bloom! There is a much smaller Simsalabim in this year's auction and I believe that the price will also be much smaller.

This year's offering not only has a super selection of OGR's and Japanese roses, it also has a wonderful selection of florist roses for the exhibitor.

CCRS wants to thank Descanso Gardens, Paul Zimmerman. Mike Gleason. Burling Leong, Dr. Joel Ross, Ping Lim, Bob Martin, Ivy Bodin, Kathy Strong, Chris Greenwood, Star Roses and Weeks Roses (I'm sure that I forgot someone) for their generous donations.

The rose that I believe to be on your list has been grown in my garden. I first saw the true 'Enghien' about 10 years ago in the gardens at Castle Coloma near Brussels, and immediately began hoping that it would eventually be available to U.S. gardeners. 'Enghien' was in the first group of EuroDesert "mother plants" I purchased when that nursery went out of business. It turned out not to be the rose I admired in Belgium. The EuroDesert plant was apparently mislabeled by the European nursery that exported it.

The HMF photo of the very full, substantive and high-centered apricot rose linked to on the CCRS silent auction list is not the EuroDesert/Vintage 'Enghien'; check, instead, the photo of the pale yellow cup-shaped rose pictured as 'Enghien' at Vintage's website. The latter is the rose I received from EuroDesert. I've contacted Gregg Lowery about this matter. In his response, he stated that he also questions of the identity of the plant that was supplied to Vintage.

Nsdjohn, I would have preferred to have contacted you privately with my concern, but I couldn't find a way to do that. Many of us have experienced the disappointment of receiving mislabeled roses, and I feel certain that CCRS would want to avoid disappointing any of its supporters who might purchase one of its offerings.

So hypothetically... here I am in Northern CA. And I have an internet connect. So - I can bid? And if life was crazy(hearing about last year!) and I bid and won, it would get to me here?

Is bidding online list for the Live Auction or the Silent?

I have a couple that I would like to get from the Silent, but guessing that is only in person?

Can you tell that I am the one at the PTA fundraisers that stands back and watches the madness rather than participate?

I found one additional photograph of the rose on a Dutch website (link provided below). The site describes the color as being "apricot, pink blush", a combination that is well-illustrated in the HMF photo. The HMF photo, compared to the Dutch one, definitely provides a more accurate representation of the color as I remember it.

I was pleased to note that shortly after your response to my initial post, the CCRS silent auction list was amended to indicate that the identity of the rose being offered as 'Enghien' is in question. That caveat, however, was quickly removed. Apparently the rose is to remain on the list, without qualification, as 'Enghien'. If so, I hope CCRS will ensure that all who may bid remotely on 'Enghien' are informed that the rose they may win will not be the rose pictured in the photo link provided on the auction list, and, in fact, may not even be a Hybrid Tea. Thanks again, and best wishes for a hugely successful auction!

Windeaux, thanks for the extra info on Enghien. I just went to the website and it says (may not be) after the name. I think that someone was getting the list ready for printing and may have been in the process of changing what I originally put up. Btw, RVS stands for Rijksstation voor Sierplantenteelt, which translates as Research Station for Ornamental Plants. To confuse matters further, their new name is DVS, Departement voor Plantengenetica, the Department for Plant Genetics. Thanks again.

Tammy

Again, internet bids are taken, but the deadline for that is fast approaching -- noon, Pacific Time, on Saturday, November 3rd. Then we assign a proxy bidder to bid for your roses, up to the maximum you have set, as if it was his/her own money (i.e. no overpaying, unless there's a spirited battle going on for that particular rose).

Here are some links to my fav's

Simsalabim -- a full grown plant that is a sport of Abracadabra, with reverse striping (maroon on yellow instead of yellow on maroon).

Frankie -- a grafted plant on Pink Clouds rootstock -- this was grafted by Justin Ekuan,and, as far as I know, this cultivar has never been grown as a grafted plant before, other than by Justin and myself. It does wonderful things on better roots than it does as an already wonderful exhibition single on its own roots. It actually grows a true climber, believe it or not, and a much more graceful one than its parent Altissimo.
Takao -- this is one of the prettiest orange and yellow roses out there, and if you spray (and spray you must as it does also like its mildew), then you will grow to love this one.

Gentle Annie -- A loverly full purple single that grows much like Escapade with more striking color and the brightest yellow stamens imaginable.
Stranger -- A mauve and white stripe from the florist trade that is otherwise not on the market.

Yosooi -- A white true mini with exhibition form from Japan that should be more widely grown.
Emma May -- A pink hybrid tea that has surprised me with its vigor and good form.

Whole Buncha Japanese Roses -- Many that are very special.

Tammy

I also figured if I was not the high bidder (very likely in my case) we would hear this week after they heard back from the winning bidders.

Tammy

I didn't win Ladybug which I really wanted, but I'm definitely happy!

Tammy

Now to work on a Merry Christmas to me order from Burling

Now is when we have to get them started to sell next year. It doesn't mean you have to buy it . . . we just like to have things that people are craving.

So be kind and give us some ideas in an informal poll, if you would indulge us.

But your point is well taken and I may try to get a couple of them going for next year.

Ladybug (I wish I would have bid higher!)
Eyes for You (I had cuttings sent to me at one point, but none took...so sad!)
Blue for You
Bullata/Lettuce Leaved Rose (really want!!)
Canadian White Star
Compte des Bourbons
Cotton Candy Rambler (another one I can't get to root!)
Earthquake
Dye Plot China
Fakir's Delight
Florence Delattre
Green Diamond (really want!!)
Louis XIV
Mlle Berger
Pluton
Purple Skyliner
Ripples
Robert Leopold (a favorite!!)
Tabasco Cat

Ok...I'm stopping with the "T"s :)

Tammy

I would like to see the Esperance and Green Romantica roses offered again. I can't seem to find those anywhere.

Simsalabim was again the high price rose at $205. The low price rose was Heinrich Karsch, at $3. The average for all roses was $34. Second highest was Coachella at $105. Stranger was twelfth at $52. The average is skewed to the high side by a few high price getters. The median (50% higher price, 50% lower price) was $10 at the silent auction and $27 at the live auction. 90 roses went for $10 or less.

The price lists surprise me every year -- there's just no telling with an auction where the price of a particular plant will go -- to the high side or to the low side.
And there were some that were surprisingly low, I thought -- someone got a real bargain, e.g., with Pride of Oakland (a great rose, btw) for $6 and then also with Red Intuition, which went for $16.
And that's kind of what makes it fun.

If the auctions are the only place, I'd hate to "bring down" the price, but it sure would be nice if there were a handful of them available. The rose is crazy cool.

I could sure kick myself for not sending in a bid on Red Intuition...

In addition, another problem with this rose is that it STRONGLY tends to revert to pure yellow, and you have to really keep after the plant, by cutting off everything that shows up as pure yellow, and below the cuts, marking the whole canes that "tend" to pure yellow and then, after a couple of pure yellow ones show up on that cane, discaning it at that particular cane. So it is not a rose for the faint of heart. You have to "teach" it that it can only be a striped rose through consistent discipline. For that reason, I tend to only sell the ones that I KNOW will bloom well-striped, and I only take cuttings from my own plant at areas that are symmetrically striped. We do not want to sell anyone a $200 yellow rose. Thus, it is probably going to remain very rare. I have to assume that is why Kordes never put it into production also -- it's a pain in the buttocks rose, all around.

But it is a unique rose, and I will try to get a couple started for next year.

Wonder how many people with Simsalabims have tried hybridizing it. Guessing quite a few... Wondering if anyone has had success in getting a seedling with similar pattern to grow...

HFM lists only one garden where it grows (San Jose Heritage Rose Garden); all the HMF photos of the rose are from the plant in that garden; the description of the rose at HMF is extremely sketchy; there's absolutely nothing to be found under the References tab at HMF; and no sources are listed for the rose.

All of this would seem to indicate that 'Compte des Bourbons' is a found rose awaiting identification, but it's not being presented as such. Does the San Jose Heritage RG maintain records that might contain the provenance of each plant? Perhaps HMF might consider altering the listing slightly to "Compte des Bourbons".

This post was edited by kstrong on Mon, Nov 26, 12 at 14:59

OK, NOW I KNOW - THE EDIT FEATURE DOES NOT MOVE THE POST TO THE TOP OF THE NEW POSTS ORDER

M

Kathy is a great help to us and while we really want to know what plants rosarians in the US are looking for, please let us know if you have cuttings of a variety that you think is rare. Working with Chris in Columbus, we were able to get plants of Conrad Hilton, Miss Hillcrest, Texan and Magic Moon. I am working on getting more plants of Ralph Moore's 'Most Unusual Day', which seems to have disappeared from commerce.

At the moment we have been desperately searching for Sunrise-Sunset (Herb Swim's not Ping Lim's). Let me know if anyone can provide cuttings. I appreciate anyone who wants to help in our "Save the Roses" campaign.
John

M