Terry

Ingrid

On the list also for next spring are Jeri Jennings and Oshun, but they most likely will be part of our Rose Society spring auction. They both have been sulky growers for me...maybe I've pushed the zone envelope too far for these two. This year it was mid-June before they even poked their heads out of the soil. Oshun continually balls and only had a couple of blooms. Maybe they'll do better for someone else.
-terry

I have many that depend on how they get started next Spring. I most always give a rose three years to perform and if it doesn't it has to go.
This past Spring I SP'd 23 and wiped out my Pot Ghetto to replace them in the rose beds. Right now I have about 25-30 roses in the Pot Ghetto, so I have plenty to replace any that don't make the cut next Spring.

John

I already yanked up Touch of Class and an unknown red HT. Oklahoma likely will not make an appearance next Spring.

Many, many more roses will need to be moved, most notably Austins. Almost every one of them are WAY exceeding their stated heights, and some are even first-year babies! They have just outgrown their spots. Crazy!

I have wanted to move it all year and today was the day. It was such a tug of war that she broke my shovel right where the wood goes into the metal part of the spade. But I was determined. =) She has moved to another spot in the yard and if she lives...she lives. If not...I'll get something else from Roses Unlimited in the spring.

I have a couple more that I am going to move to another spot that will allow them more sun and no competition from tree roots. If they don't do any better then...its off with their heads! They are:

Dark Lady (black spot)
Mary Rose (black spot)
Yellow Charles Austin (he has never gotten over 2'and is a two stick wonder)
Winchester Cathedral (black spot)
Molineux (I have 2, this one is small and not thriving)
Jude the Obscure (He will be allowed one more year to show his stuff)
Carefree Wonder (again...one more year)
Pat Austin (this one has been moved once...but I will try one more spot and then its decision time)

Just lost a Herbie & a Scentsational due to a new sprinkler system install.. will probably replace it I can find them.

Already gone:
Out of Yesteryear: A balling nightmare. Neither it nor its children have done well for me.
Out of the Night: Brown balls of mush. Yech!
Golden Buddha: A lot of winter dieback, didn't like the color.
Niles Cochet (I think--it was unlabeled): Virused
Melody Parfumee: A really great rose. It was just too big for its location, and I wanted something a little less formal in bloom form.
R. Moyesii "Geranium": If it had really been Geranium, I would have kept it. Don't know what it was, but it was hot pink instead of red.
Intrigue: Lovely blossoms, ugly bush. A fair amount of blackspot.
Fragrant Plum: From a bodybag, it never did perform.
Lavender Delight: Turned a nasty orangy-pink color after opening.

On the chopping block, but might get another season:
Lemon Pearls: Another "Out of Yesteryear" offspring. Flowers are lovely, but plant is struggling.
Eugene de Beauharnais: Gorgeous flowers, wimpy plant
Jeri Jennings: Gorgeous flowers, nice bush form, TONS of blackspot (since I got rid of "Intrigue", it's the worst rose for blackspot in my yard.)
Souvenir de Philemon Cochet: Not in a good spot in the yard. The main problem, tho, is the absolutely stunning blooms start turning brown about 5 minutes after they open.

I've been sitting on the fence about him also for about 7 yrs. But since he is my only yellow and I don't plan on getting another yellow he'll stay for awhile.

But most of our Don Juan roses will be shovel pruned in a few weeks. They're too frail for Mississippi.

Peter Cottontail. gorgeous antigue parchment white mini-flora, that nevertheless was a royal pain. As big a blackspot magnet as I've ever seen, despite a steady spray regime that kept the other roses clean.

Erotika. Gave to a neighbor. Another rose better suited to cooler climates, I think.

First Impression. utterly shapeless simple yellow mini. I didn't actually order this one; it was a mistake shipped from Nor'east. Oh well.

Lagerfeld. Intriguing, large blooms and plant and very fragrant. But a prima donna with a lavender so pale I finally decided it was more gray than lavender. Gave it to a neighbor.

Moore's Striped Rugosa. Just a shrub. Actually, openly resented being sprayed. Even the drift from anti-fungal spray to the other roses caused chemical burn. Shapeless blooms and not too plentiful. Someone with our local botanical garden took it off my hands. Maybe with a space to spread and away from spray it will do better.

One's I'm planning to ditch as soon as my next orders arrive:
Gem-O'the Rockies. ok color but nothing special. Shapeless blooms and not enough.

Luis Desamero. No what I expected from photos and catalog descriptions. Basically ivory white, very small blooms that blow fast. Nice and prolific, though.

Dancing Flame. Something's seriously wrong with this little bush. Keeps trying to grow but always looks fried. The blooms don't weather well either. much better cut. A show rose, perhaps, but needs better stamina in the garden.

On the waffle list/probation:
Sweet Arlene. terrific healthy easy care miniflora. But, I'm really picky and these blooms just are not formal enough for my taste. Rather shaped like the floribunda Angel Face. And they're pale similar to Lagerfeld; that is, barely lavender, really more silver grey. Form and color are both best in cooler weather--a winter rose for me here. It is just so robust, though, that I may find an unused spot to let it hang around.

Memphis Magic. Has the opposite issue. Form is terrific, but the plant is inconsistent. Gives me occasional terrific flushes of deepest blackcherry colored blooms. They the next flush or two will not form right and/or look faded and miscolored. I was battling chili thrips recently, though, so maybe that was part of the problem. Still on probation.

Wisley-Wish it was a better rose but my experience was the same as Veilchen-wimpy bush, too much BS
Ambridge Rose-Beautiful blooms when they first open but not enough to make up for the terrible fade, poor vase life and BS tendencies.
Mademoiselle Blanche LaFitte-Not a terrible rose but has trouble keeping its leaves. Blooms generously but the flowers are small and age poorly.
Sophie's Rose-Naked, scentless. Performance might have been improved in a better location.
Frederic Mistral-Big naked octopus. Poorly formed flowers, queer scent. Some have said its just a bad clone...

There are a few more that should probably come out but i am giving them just a little more time ; )

Of course i am replacing the 5 shovel pruned roses with 12 from the pot ghetto. i know you will all understand that!

"Frederic Mistral-Big naked octopus. Poorly formed flowers, queer scent. Some have said its just a bad clone..."

You must have a mutant. The scent is very sweet to most noses, and the flower form is very beautiful. True, it is susceptible to BS and a rampant grower that wants pruning all season (very deep deadheading).

I used to defend Hortico all the time when people would slam them. But no more. The last two yrs, I've had nothing but mis-marked or dead roses from them. Their quality control has gotten worse & worse.

Ingrid

The ones I had elminated were:
1) A Shropshire Lad - it turned out this poor rose was root bound in the container. Unfortunately I don't have the patience to nurture it.
2) Summer Song - I'm sure it was virused. The Spring flush was fabulous, however.
3) Cinderella - the blooms lack scent.
4) Sidonie - Fabulous spring flush - but the blooms were tiny and lack scent
5) The Alnwick Rose - the blooms scatter quickly and lack scent. I find 'Mayor of Casterbridge' to be more attractive.
6) Unknown Centifolia (Reine des Centifueille). Strong scent, but I only have a small yard.

And I thought I couldn't without them. It's clear to me that I want FRAGRANT, BEAUTIFUL HEALTHY Roses!!
My backyard looks a LOT tidy now. Previously, the yard was cramped with too many potted roses that looked kind of messy.

I finally decided to plant 'Tea Clipper' and 'Mayor of Casterbridge' in the ground because they're both getting huge. 'The Mayor of Casterbridge' had just finished blooming. The blooms were nice - much nicer than 'The Alnwick Rose'. Tea Clipper hasn't bloom yet. I guess she's hungry, so I'm thinking of feeding her with a liquid fertiliser on a regular basis.

The roses that I can't live without are: Gertrude Jekyll, Nahema, Jayne Austin and Evelyn. Those four roses are still growing in containers. If I decide to move out one day, I will bring all four roses with me.

I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders - what I mean by that is, taking care of my 12 roses in the past was just TOO much work. Not only does it make the yard look untidy, but it's just dam expensive as well.

I don't think I will buy anymore roses for the mean-time. I have to start saving money for other important stuff in life!

They're all together in a group and have steadily declined the last couple years until they look downright awful this year. I'm going to dig the whole area up and use it as an extension of my vegatable garden. I have plenty of "good" roses elsewhere.

Carol

My 'Tea Clipper' has been a poor bloomer as well. It's not really in a prime spot and has been disease free, so I've left it where it is. For now.

I have given away several roses and I often get reports on how well they are doing. But, I shovel prune ones that I think others might not be able to grow, or they are in bad shape. My most recent: GRAND AMORE- it looked great the first year and has been in decline all year - don't think it bloomed once. And, it is in a bed full of healthy roses. STEPHANIE ANNE - this rose has had four years to give me a rose that isn't all burned looking on the edges. In fact, it hardly ever blooms anyway.

That's it for now, although I shovel pruned a dozen in Spring. I have some that I thought of shovel pruning, but they are putting out gorgeous blooms now, just to show me! So, I have reverted to digging up minis and putting them in pots and putting the floribundas that were growing in pots in their place. Not much of a solution!

A true solution would be to stop being tempted to buy new ones. I should only read posts on shovel-pruning!

Ingrid