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Thu, Oct 25, 12 at 22:24
| There is one rose in my backyard. It was there when we bought the house nine years ago, so I don't know exactly what it is. It has deep red, single flowers.
Anyway, this rose has a problem. It blooms in the usual season, around May, and then promptly loses its flowers and drops all its leaves. Over the rest of the summer, it struggles to produce another round of foliage (never very full), and limps along looking half dead, but no more flowers. What is the problem, and what can I do?
I love roses, but I have never had the pleasure of owning or caring for one before, and I feel I am quite out of my depth even in trying to maintain the one I inherited. I think it was planted when the trees back there were much smaller, as it is fairly shady and probably a pretty marginal location for roses. But the initial bloom is pretty nice--for around one week in spring. |
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RE: struggling climbing rose
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| My guess is that you are seeing the rootstock Dr. Huey and that the rose that was once grafted on it has long since disappeared. Dr. Huey blooms only once, in the spring. Given your location, it is probably loosing its foliage to blackspot, a fungal infection that makes black spots on the leaves, which then drop off. I'd suggest you dig it up. There are several shade tolerant roses if you want a rose in that spot. |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| Might your rose look like the one at the link below? If so, it is Dr. Huey, probably the remaining root stock from a rose which grew in your back yard previously. Dr. Huey flowers in spring or early summer and can be rather disease prone in high disease pressure climates. If it is Dr. Huey, it won't flower again after its main flush. You could, if you choose, treat it with the fungicide of your choice to help it maintain its leaves. Or, if you'd prefer something which will provide you with color more of the growing season, dig this one up FULLY or kill it off with herbicide then dig up the carcass. Dr. Huey's roots can be EXTREMELY persistent, so it can easily come back multiple times from any of its roots left in the soil. I'd start by determining if this is the rose you have; whether you want to maintain it or go for something more suited to resisting diseases and providing you with a longer season of color in your climate. Good luck! Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: Dr. Huey
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| Wow, you guys hit the bullseye (either you have a lot of knowledge or you are psychic). I checked the photo in your link--that's it. Dr. Huey. I guess it kind of figures, a lot of what we inherited in that garden was some kind of weed! And your description of blackspot is exactly what we've seen. I suppose first we might try to battle the blight, which I think is also affecting a nearby peony (with a grayish patina on the leaves). Is it very difficult to control? What products/strategy would you recommend? |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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And, if you like the look of a richly red single, you might check out the climber 'Altissimo.' See: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.157 Or, perhaps the tough beauty, "Ragged Robin" -- properly named 'Gloire des Rosomanes': http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.40908.1 Jeri in Southern California |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| Thanks for your suggestions. I like the look of "ragged robin." Is it both disease resistant and shade-tolerant? I did not see those qualities mentioned in the plant description on helpmefind. Any other ideas, anyone, for a climbing, shade-tolerant, disease-resistant rose variety? I like scent, too, if it's not too much to ask. |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| I have had good success with Nahema. It is fragrant and hardy in zone 5a. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Nahema
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| Emme -- Ragged Robin is very disease-resistant IN CALIFORNIA. I would GUESS that it would be hardy enough for your area, but I haven't gardened there. Someone closer to you might know better. It is tolerant of a little shade here -- again, in Southern California. But it is a very tough rose. Used as rootstock for decades, we find it all over California. I love mine. It's big, and lusty, and repeats very well. Jeri |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| So I've been reading about blackspot, how to combat it, and what conditions make it harder to combat. I think I have a challenging site. First of all, my backyard is a small urban yard with a lot of shade. The climate is hot and humid in summer, and our shade makes high moisture levels a constant. second, we have barriers on all sides: the house (actually, a whole row of row houses) to the east, a garage to the west, solid, 7' fences to the north and south, and a tall apartment building just past one fence. So we are nicely sheltered from whipping winds as well as drying breezes. Dr. Huey is growing out of a carpet of ground cover plants, mostly vinca and liriope in his corner. They make removal of fallen, diseased leaves a challenge. This is all kind of discouraging. Anyone think they'd leave this plant here and try to fight the blackspot? |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| So I've been reading about blackspot, how to combat it, and what conditions make it harder to combat. I think I have a challenging site. First of all, my backyard is a small urban yard with a lot of shade. The climate is hot and humid in summer, and our shade makes high moisture levels a constant. second, we have barriers on all sides: the house (actually, a whole row of row houses) to the east, a garage to the west, solid, 7' fences to the north and south, and a tall apartment building just past one fence. So we are nicely sheltered from whipping winds as well as drying breezes. Dr. Huey is growing out of a carpet of ground cover plants, mostly vinca and liriope in his corner. They make removal of fallen, diseased leaves a challenge. This is all kind of discouraging. Anyone think they'd leave this plant here and try to fight the blackspot? |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| Given a choice, Dr Huey is not high on my list. IT has no fragrance, and no repeat. It sounds like you do not have a lot of garden space so you need to choose your roses with care. I would go with any of the Kordes climbers in place of it. I have been totally impressed with their beautiful foliage in our black spot heaven here. I tried Amadeus this year and although it is not fragant it is phenomenal...healthy and grew about 10' high THIS FIRST YEAR! with big custers of bright red roses...shows up from a distant and the leaves stay healthy and shiny green! I also highly recommend "South Africa" for a golden orange, 7' tall grandiflora that has bloomed non stop for me all summer! I don't know how they would do in your area but somehow I just can't imagine it NOT being beautiful! And it does have a soft fragrance.I grow over 100 roses but these two have been at the top of my list all summer. I have hardly done a thing but plant them and water them. (Fed them when I planted them) with time release food. THey were big husky plants from Palatine Roses. |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| If it were ME, I would dig the guy up. I have seen Huey put on a truly magnificent show -- but that was in Las Vegas, NV -- where blackspot wasn't happenin'. (And even so, it may have looked poorly, later in the year.) 'Dr. Huey' was accounted to be a great rose in its day -- but its day, for the most part, is done. Jeri |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| In order to impress my neighbors that I know something about growing roses, I plant Illusion at the lightpost in front of the house. See link below for my comments. http://home.roadrunner.com/~kuska/illusion-the-plant.htm -------------------------------------- See the Help-Me-Find description at: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.3368 |
Here is a link that might be useful: Illusion - my comments
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| I, too, would dig up Dr. Huey. For reds, good old Don Juan does well here. It is pretty BS resistant, but I don't know about shade. Mine is behind a large shrub and was slow to grow until his top finally got into the sun. Robin Hood does very well in the shade, blooms continuously except in extreme heat (and winter, of course), and is fairly BS resistant. But it blooms are in clusters--small, but lots of them--and not very fragrant. I have had poor luck with Altissimo. Hybrid Musks, like Robin Hood, generally do well in shade. I have a no-spray garden, so I don't do anything to combat blackspot except choose my roses carefully. There is a current post on here giving Paul Barden's BS resistant list. You might look at that. |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| Sorry. Paul's list is on the Antique Rose forum |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| I really think you all are right. There seem to be some great roses to choose from, and Dr. Huey is not suitable for this BS-prone location. Nor quite decorative enough to justify his place in such a small garden. Here's one more question: if I dig him out this fall, will the BS spores still be around in the spring to attack whatever I plant new? Or do I need to do some more extensive clean-up in preparation? I read that the spores don't survive in soil or for more than a month, but also that they overwinter on dead leaves. |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| The BS spores are in the very air of the eastern US. They are probably bonded to the water molecules in the humidity. So don't worry about it. Just plant something resistant and pray for dry weather. |
RE: struggling climbing rose
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| Thanks, I always appreciate a do-less-work answer! |
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