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| Hi, everybody! I'm hoping to hear from Kim, of course, about this rose ,but also from anybody else out there who grows it. I'm getting it from Bierkreek this fall, and would like to know as much as possible in advance about it, especially about it's habit, of course! (always an important issue for deciding on placement, IMO). I was thinking of grouping it with Carefree Beauty and Austin's Tradescant...
Btw,Kim, Little Butterfly is doing great; made it through the viscious summer and re-bloomed nicely this fall, and it's only in it's first year in my garden! I'm impressed. But sadly, Annie Laurie did not survive.I think in a way it was defeated by it's own strengths, in a way; whereas other roses went dormant in the heat and drought, dropping their leaves, etc, Annie just soldiered on until August, when it sort of just threw in the towel completely. I am fervantly hoping that I can try this beautiful rose again, though unfortuneately Bierkreek doesn't have it for this year. I think -if I am lucky enough to get another plant of it in the future-that I will follow your advice about growing Annie in a pot for it's first year. Pots don't do too well for me, since it's too shady at the house in summer, but Annie is supposedly shade tolerant, and I just think that maybe in my harsh climate, this rose would appreciate a bit of shelter in it's first season, so it can put on some bulk...regards, bart |
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| Hi Bart! I'm sorry ALmD didn't survive your "test by stress" conditions. How exciting Little Butterfly is pleasing you! Thanks! Until last year, I'd never had Carlin's Rhythm actually IN the ground. My "ground" is quite the challenge. It is decomposing, ancient sea floor. Very granular and rather poor in organics. Water passes through it like a coffee filter, leaving it sticky and caked. It dries hard then becomes dust. The moles love it, as do the gophers. Adding organics to it results in more moles. Add the hassle of dragging everything down four flights of stairs and it becomes more effort than I care to provide. So, last year, Carlin finally got "planted" in this 'stuff'. I've never really "pruned" the plant, but it's been whacked quite a bit for propagating material until rather recently. He seems to want to perform rather like Lynnie, by pushing out three foot basals which break in to clusters of blooms. Like her, you can pollinate him with dirt. EVERY flower forms large, orange, seed filled hips and every seed germinates. Breeder friends have found him as successful to work with as they have Lynnie. Carlin has more prickles, but self seedlings have turned out completely smooth. He appears to want to grow outward with the flowering basals. I guestimate he'll probably be about four by four feet here, based upon what he seems to want at this point, Of course, like Lynnie, he's guaranteed to surprise me by what he wants in other climates. A friend locally is planting a hedge of Carlin's Rhythm. That should be interesting. Here is what a bloom looked like this morning. Kim
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| Speaking of Lynnie, Kim -- how big DOES she get to be? She's so very good here, I want her in a good spot, but I want to be sure she won't outgrow it. Jeri |
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| Speaking of Lynnie, Kim -- how big DOES she get to be? She's so very good here, I want her in a good spot, but I want to be sure she won't outgrow it. Jeri |
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| I wish I knew, Jeri! I'd never seen her bigger than four by four until Lyn's bit six feet! As with anything else, it all depends upon your growing conditions, culture and how the rose responds to them. In most situations, I would definitely put her to the middle or back of a border. In my junk dirt, so far, both are only about three feet tall. I put them on either side of the central path through the bed, at the rear where they wouldn't dwarf anything. Riiight! Everything else is already dwarfing them! Best laid plans and all. Kim |
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| OK. That lets out two spots I had in mind. She'll have to go down on the hillside. Maybe she can replace 'White Surprise.' Maybe she can go over, next to 'Louis Phillipe.' Jeri |
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| For you, she'll probably resemble a poly or ground cover! LOL! How large is O'teeka getting for you? That may give an indication of relative size. Kim |
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| O'Teeka is lower-growing, so far. More spready? Whereas, Lynnie recently put up a hefty basal break, topped with a notable spray of blooms. That's not to say that O'Teeka might not catch up -- but I sorta hope not, because I have a great spot, if she'll stay at 4-ft. or lower. Jeri |
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