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Posted by
frances_in_nj z6 NJ (
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Wed, Nov 14, 12 at 9:30
| Hello - I usually never order bare roots for fall planting, only for spring. But this year, because of a special garden project, I made an exception and ordered from Pickering for shipment this week. Just got an email from them saying they are delayed til the week of Nov. 26. Can anybody tell me, is this just too late here in zone 6 NJ - should I have them hold it til next spring, or would the roses likely be ok if I mound them well? All the roses I ordered are pretty hardy ...
I'm really, really disappointed about this, and fear putting the order off til spring because then they'll probably be sold out of some of my plants. Any advice much appreciated! (Btw, I don't know if I'm zone 6a or 6b, but I live in central NJ) Thanks! |
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RE: Pickering delay
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| Pretty normal for Pickering. One has to have patience when dealing with them because there are usually delays. But it is worth it when you finally get the roses--they are freshly dug with good root systems. The roses are dormant when they ship them so they are likely to be very cold hardy--probably hardier than the roses already in your garden. I wouldn't worry about them--go ahead and plant them, heel them in or pot them up for the winter. These Canadian roses are tougher than Arizona and Texas grown roses. |
RE: Pickering delay
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| First off, you don't mound roses in New Jersey. It's waaay too warm and wet. Second, you aren't worried about them being too cold during the winter, but too warm. The problem with appropriate fall planting varieties isn't that they will die over the winter, but that they will start to grow, then that growth won't survive. Then the rose doesn't have the stored energy to regrow. My understanding is that Pickering picks the rose orders now, then stores them over the winter. |
RE: Pickering delay
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| Nov. 26 is not too late--too late is when the ground is permanently frozen, which would rarely happen, and not before Christmas. But fall planting in zone 6 is a bit risky, for the reasons mad_gallica gives. Switching to March might be a good idea. |
RE: Pickering delay
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| Mad Gallica gives you excellent advice -- especially as regards mounding. The admonishment to mound all newly planted roses regardless of season or location is a tired old canard that needs to be put to rest permanently. I suspect that far more roses planted in U.S. gardens have been damaged or utterly destroyed by mounding than have benefited from the practice. If you're new to rose gardening, check with a local rose society, or with someone you know to be knowledgeable about growing roses in your area, before deciding to mound or not to mound. |
RE: Pickering delay
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- Posted by TNY78 7a-East TN (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 15, 12 at 18:31
| Ugh! I wanted mine for fall planting but did spring because I am out of town this week :( now with the delay, I could gotten them in the fall...oh well. Tammy |
RE: Pickering delay
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| I always mound my newly planted bare-root roses,even though I am in Tuscany, Italy, which is probably around a zone 8 or so. The people at Rose Barni advise to do so, and they are in a warmer area than mine. As far as I know, mounding isn't exactly about only protecting from low temperatures necessarily. The idea is also that it keeps the rose at a more even temperature (here we get wild temp swings,there's often an enormous difference from day to night).It also protects against drying wind,and since the canes are in relative dark,they are not particularly encouraged to start sprouting,so the plant can concentrate a bit more on establishing roots. Not that I'm trying to say that others are "wrong", by any means; I'm just saying what i know about the subject. regards, bart. |
RE: Pickering delay
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| The problem is whether the bare roots you plant stay in dormancy or not and with the warmer climate now they may start to grow and that new growth will be killed so you wont have accomplished anything by planting now. I would put them in cold storage and plant in early April. |
RE: Pickering delay
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| Mounding March-planted bare-root roses has worked fine for me over the years. However, November-planted roses that were mounded had a high mortality rate, owing to the following winter not being cold enough to maintain dormancy. I don't know whether or not mounding made the problem worse. It may have. An anti-transpirant such as Wilt Pruf can be used instead of mounding to reduce moisture loss. That's what I did this past spring. However, a mound can protect early basal shoots from moderate spring frosts. |
RE: Pickering delay
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| Thanks everybody for your comments! I have decided I'm going to try planting. Several years ago, I did fall plant some bare roots, and they all did great. I will be mounding, however. My understanding, like Bart's, is that this keeps the rose more stable. Yes, sometimes our winters are warm and wet, but they are also warm and dry, cold and wet, cold and dry, and sometimes all of the above within weeks. So stabilizing the environment of the rose seems important, and hopefully keeps them from breaking dormancy in an unfortunate warm spell followed by a deep freeze. I'll also use my leaf-bag trick to further protect the canes. As a matter of fact, I actually make it a habit to protect all my just-planted-this-past-spring roses with a combination of mounding and leaf bags, and so far so good. I use either straw, peat moss, or soil for the mounds. I'll let you know how it turns out, and thanks again! |
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