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Posted by caru 92648 south calif (My Page) on Fri, Nov 20, 09 at 15:41
| I live 2 blocks from the beach in Huntington Beach, Ca. & get a lot of fog in am & in pm. Please tell me if I'm the right track.
For two 8'columns by the front door: Jeanne La Joie
For a 6'arbor,1-1/2'wide, Reve D'or
For a low 27" decorative rod iron fence: Sombreuil. I can't seem to find them now. I have others I'm thinking of:Crepuscle:
Polka: may not bloom enough???
Sally Holmes:???
Abraham Darby:???
Royal Porcelain: I really don't know if it grows well here.
Mme Berkeley???
Melanie's Maman Cochet, "Niles Cochet" "White Maman Cochet", Blush,aka Wm. R. Smith I love all these. I like the sweet pinks not too dark especially by the door. Variegated apricot & cream & pinks ok. Please no problem roses. On column & arbor if possible not too many thorns
Your advice is so much appreciated. I'm spanking new today on this forum.
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RE: coastal climbers two blocks from beach
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| You REALLY need to focus on roses with good mildew resistance where you are. I'm in a coastal canyon in San Juan Capistrano, and if you don't want to spray weekly, you need to be very vigilant about what you plant. That said, I don't grow most of the varieties you list above. Two that I do are Polka (yes, it's a stingy bloomer, but mildew resistance is okay) and Sally Holmes. Sally H is fine, but it concentrates its bloom power on one period in the spring -- the rest of the year you will not see much bloom. Abe Darby I have grown, and I know it will mildew if not sprayed, as will almost all other David Austin roses. Two others you might like are Berries N Cream (minimal thorns, no mildew) and Rhapsody in Blue (it REALLY likes our oceanic climate and will not grow anywhere else, but is a beauty here, and no mildew). Both of those grow as climbers here, as do Abe Darby, Sally Holmes and Polka. Good luck. Ask around and see what mildew experience others have had with the specific varieties you mentioned. Kathy |
RE: coastal climbers two blocks from beach
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Sat, Nov 21, 09 at 0:15
| Yes as Kathy says something that doesn't mildew. Also something that doesn't have trouble opening in cool overcast conditions. Berries N Cream or Fourth Of July are good ideas, little mildew on those and no trouble opening up. Sally Holmes has poor rebloom. Polka is gorgeous but stingy. Sombreuil is ok, but it's going to get big, 15' or more, so you need room, and it may not open that well. As much as I adore Abe Darby, he's a ruster par excellence here in The OC. Jeanne la Joie I found difficult to deal with due to stiff, very thorny canes. Instead consider 'Renae', (if you can find it) which has far more flexible canes, just about no thorns, and a sweet, wonderful fragrance. No mildew here. |
RE: coastal climbers two blocks from beach
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| Mme.Berkeley is not a climber. BIG bush. Sources for Sombreuil (or any other rose) you're wise to start at HelpMeFind (See Below). Sombreuil (the climber) is widely available, but you are going to have to use mail order sources for most good roses.
AND that means they will probably be small plants when you receive them.
(Gardening teaches us patience.) To look for larger "landscape-ready" plants, you might check with Otto & Sons on Guiberson Rd., in Fillmore.
They sell to the landscape trade, and to the public.
BUT they sell in containers, so they will not have new stock available until after the first of the year. They may be your best resource.
http://www.ottoandsons-nursery.com/ Jeri |
Here is a link that might be useful: Sources for Sombreuil
RE: coastal climbers two blocks from beach
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| I whole-heartedly agree that you should use Renae as a climber in this zone if you want clusters of cute small pink flowers, and lots of them and thornless. Pickering has it in stock now, and I just received an order from them -- good size plants, too. Kathy |
Here is a link that might be useful: Renae at Pickering
RE: coastal climbers two blocks from beach
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| I would avoid using any source that buds onto multiflora, for Southern California. For a Ralph Moore rose, I would first check with Burling Leong, at Burlington Rose Nursery. Jeri |
Here is a link that might be useful: Burlington Rose Nursery
RE: coastal climbers two blocks from beach
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Harlekin is a pink climber that might fit your criteria.
I'll put a link below to a photo of it I took at at Descanso Gardens, and there are also photos on HelpMeFind.com -- |
Here is a link that might be useful: Harlekin/Harlequin
RE: coastal climbers two blocks from beach
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| Multiflora does just fine for me, Jeri -- I have some that have been on that rootstock in Southern Cal for 10 years plus with the graft still visible above ground (probably more like 15 years by now) and the alkaline water doesn't seem to give them any bother. The oldest of them is in my mom's yard in San Diego and get a once a year feeding with Osmocote and that's about it. Does fine. Kathy |
RE: coastal climbers two blocks from beach
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Tue, Dec 1, 09 at 14:32
| Multiflora does fine for me as well. The difference being drying out is more of a problem than on Dr. Huey--in this garden multifloras need steadier water supply. Dr. Huey is deep-soak then slowly dry out, multiflora is light, frequent irrigation, like an azalea. Any prolonged drying out sets the multiflora roots back in this garden. |
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