The last commercial source for weepers who shipped I knew of was the old Week's. Kim

Weeks still lists Weeping China Doll

David Austin roses in th uk lists several weeping tree roses... WHY AREN"T THEY AVAILABLE HERE!!!!! Sorry had to rant for a minute. I get annoyed by the gardening products I can't get in the usa for whatever reason. I guess if it isn't knock-out roses, yellow daylilies and echinacea they assume we won't want it.

grace e

J&P offered weeping Renae on 36" standard last year. May be worth checking their site to see if it's available this year.

Weeping China Doll is very pretty, imho. (Don't have it, simply saw it at a nursery, years ago.)

A friend has a huge, iron gazebo covered with six Sally Holmes. Its entrance is flanked by two, small circular beds, each with a weeping China Doll standard, surrounded with Scarlet Flower Carpets. As long as they are kept cleaned out and fed well, they are gorgeous. Kim

After reading everyone's responses I found a site www.growquest.com tht sells renae and some others some on very tall standards! I read Dave's garden reviews and while the old ones were negative the more recent ones were positive. Does anyone have e perience with them?

Also found weeping china doll with regans nursery. Anyone familiar with them. I was out of luck with jp and weeks.

Grace e

Never mind on growquest I did some more looking around on them.... No thanks not worth the risk. Guess I'll keep looking

not growquest, no, no! easier to just throw the money down the sewer. Regans is reliable.

LA Arboretum had (maybe they still have) 4 to 6 very large weeping china doll standards on the path to the exhibition hall. They were magnificent. A focal point for any garden to be sure.

Before Dr. Tommy destroyed them, Rose Hills had magnificent weepers and umbrellas of Mermaid, Renae and others. Kim

I would think that the umbrella trellises would be easier to maintain than a standard with a single trunk. I had a pretty nice standard of baby blanket and when a crown gall got it I was mopey for months.

J&P currently offers Raspberry Blanket and Red Ribbons on 36" standard.

I bought 4 of the Raspberry Blanket trees last year and was pleased with what they shipped. All of them are doing well. One of them seem much more vigorous than the others and has put out 6-7 very long flexible canes. Definitely what I call weeping style.

My question to add to this discussion is, how does one train a weeping standard?

I'm thinking I need to tie the canes to shape and direct their growth. Maybe put a weight on each cane to pull it downward.

Here is a link that might be useful: weeping standards at J&P

I read somewhere that someone tied hex nuts to the end of the canes to train them down.

I looked up the umbrella trellis and I am liking it alot. I think it is less limiting, I can pick whatever rose I want and train it that way, Similar look and all....thank you for the suggestion and for everyone's help

grace e

You need a rose that will not die on the ends that are hanging downward but there are lots to choose from and if one cane dies, then you still have the others.

Is it possible to train an own-root band into a weeping standard by pillaring the canes around a stake, and then training the top to open like an umbrella? I'm imagining something like a braided Ficus benjamina, from which you remove all green growth along the "trunk" once growth has reached the height you wish, and then pinching the top to encourage branching.

:-)

~Christopher

Yup! You'll probably have an easier time of it if you remove the growth buds up the canes you desire to use as the trunk or braided trunk so they remain "trunk-like". Late Victorian era through post WW1 florists used to do similarly to make potted standards from ramblers for the holidays. Kim

My local nursery has China Doll in a weeping tree. Will this survive outside in my area AND I was thinking of planting it on the north side of my house near my front step. It's a brick step and would provide heat but only morning sun.

If that's a bad location and I really want this tree I could plant it somewhere else but my heart was set on seeing it by the front door every time I came home.

When I got to the nursery today the China Dolls were all gone but they talked me into a Renae saying it was similar enough I would be happy.

Thoughts?

This is Easter Basket. Over winters in my zone 5 garage. Not really a weeping rose, but responds to gravity. Trunk on right of pic.

And my liv tyler weeps.

I have seen Renae as a weeping standard and it is very pretty too

Hoovb has an awesome Rene.

And burgundy iceberg weeps