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New Dawn, how big will she get?
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Posted by kimcoco Zone 5, Wisconsin (My Page) on Fri, Nov 20, 09 at 16:14
| I have Don Juan and Sombreuil. With winter protection, they pretty much died back to the ground. Short little plants this year, I moved them around too setting them back, but in the end very disappointed.
I'm leaning towards New Dawn as she is supposed to be very hardy in my zone, and everblooming, right? I long for those climbing roses you see in English gardens, draped along a trellis against the house. How big can I expect her to get in my zone? |
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RE: New Dawn, how big will she get?
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Really big. I keep mine trimmed back quite a bit but it would still 8-12' tall if I stood it up against a trellis. I let mine grow against a fence. I get very little dieback with only oak leaves as protection at the base. The canes are exposed to the elements.
Quadra looks like it would get really big also. It too grows along a fence. I get no die back from it and now that it's mature, it blooms all summer.
Don Juan sucks in our zone. A better red, although not as fragrant, is Dublin Bay. It dies back to 3 feet or so but regrows quickly and repeats well. |
RE: New Dawn, how big will she get?
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| Here's another climbing rose you might consider: Isabella Skinner. From what I understand about it, I suspect it will be hardy for you. Awakening is a sport of New Dawn. I believe it is supposed to be identical to New Dawn, except with many more petals per flower. |
RE: New Dawn, how big will she get?
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| My New Dawn gets really big too. In severe winters (like last year) I sometimes have to prune the canes to the snow-line, but in milder winters she is cane hardy. She has always been very crown hardy for me, and very disease resistant. Here she is on our lattice fence. She isn't a great rebloomer for me - a very heavy bloom in early summer, and then just sporadic blooms. 
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RE: New Dawn, how big will she get?
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| The tricky thing about New Dawn is rebloom. Apparently you need to make certain you get it from a responsible grower who propagates from a truly reblooming New Dawn & knows that's what they are sending to you. Just as Awakening is a sport of New Dawn, New Dawn in turn is a sport of Dr. Van Fleet, which is identical in all respects to New Dawn except it only blooms in June. Dr. Van Fleet was the original rose bred by the hybridizer (USDA hybridizer Dr. Walter Van Fleet). So far as I can determine I live on a condominium property where there is a rose I hoped was New Dawn, but now suspect is Dr. Van Fleet. Those flowers are so beautiful, but I hate only seeing them in June!!!! |
RE: New Dawn, how big will she get?
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| I guess I got a good one. Mine reblooms well and often. I do deadhead it so I imagine that helps. |
RE: New Dawn?
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| From what I gather deadheading does help. In my case the rose was here when I arrived, but only bloomed in June where it was first planted. That was along a fence that received heavy shade, so the rose spent all its energy sending canes way out towards the sun (which the "landscapers" promptly chopped off each time they "trimmed" - don't get me started!) I fixed that problem about three Junes ago by moving it to another fence where it now receives full sun. It isn't really fully established yet (so I may be wrong about the rebloom), but as of now it still only blooms in June. |
RE: New Dawn, how big will she get?
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- Posted by kimcoco Zone 5, Wisconsin (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 20, 09 at 23:11
| Yeah, I do like the red of Don Juan. Too bad it's not hardier in my zone. I crave white and red roses, but I have to settle for pink. I believe I read that Quadra is a one time bloomer? I think that's why I opted against it. |
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RE: New Dawn, how big will she get?
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| "I believe I read that Quadra is a one time bloomer?" I thought it was too but it's a repeat bloomer. As it matured it repeated better and this year it repeated well all season. I do deadhead so that helps. Mine took three years to mature.
It helps also to let the canes arch so they make laterals. The laterals produce the blooms. |
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