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Posted by growing2010 9 or 10 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 1, 09 at 18:38
Hi everyone! I have a long (5 ft by 120 ft) concrete wall that I would love to cover up with something pretty that does not fade in the sun. The location gets full sun 8+ hours western exposure, so the summers are brutal, weeks and weeks of dry, windy, 85 to 100 temps.
I'm pretty sure the roses I like would do better in cooler zones, mostly polyanthas and noisettes like Margo Koster, Rosarium Uetersen, Blush Noisette etc.
Others I like but am afraid won't work are:
Lady Banks- disqualified because I think the neighbors would mind this huge monster spilling over their side of the wall.
Mutabilis- seems like the dinky flowers won't hold up to the heat.
Cecile Brunner- fades in the sun?
I love Zephirin Drouhin, but don't know if is is a stingy bloomer.
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RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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FWIW we have had problems with many roses planted against a south-facing 12-ft-tall concrete block retaining wall.
Sun, bouncing off all that concrete, has burned rose canes badly.
The only roses which have prospered in this situation were those which carried ample foliage (which protected the canes).
"Grandmother's Hat" and her sports are champs in this location.
Most of the Chinas will take this beating and go right on blooming.
Noisettes for the most part handle it well.
Hybrid Perpetuals are losers here. Too much bare cane.
Tea Roses do extremely well.
We have tried climbers, but few of them succeed. Jeri (Coastal Ventura County, SoCal |
RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Sun, Nov 1, 09 at 20:12
| I had a hot wall like that. I planted Boston Ivy (Parthenocissus tricuspidata) to grow on the wall. It reduced the heat a lot. Now the roses in front of the wall are much happier. 
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RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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| Thank you so much... happy to hear that noisettes should do ok Renae?
Brilliant Pink Iceberg?
Rose de Rescht? Hoovb, I've been trying to kill all the boston ivy since I moved to this house:) It doesn't just stay on the walls, it grows everywhere, chokes the trees, covers the ground... not to mention the aiding and abetting of the huge rodent problem all over my neck of the woods, although all the fruit trees might have something to do with that. Unless it's not the ivy you mentioned, I have the one that you see all over older neighborhoods in the front yards and on the sidewalk strips. It is truly scary to walk by it at night when you hear all the rustling in the foot high dense foliage. |
RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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It took us years to finally kill the English Ivy that someone planted many decades ago.
It not only overgrew and killed roses, it got roots into our septic tank.
But Ivy's worst sin is that the huge bank of it on our neighbor's side of their driveway harbors rats. There is an old cemetery up near Santa Cruz which has been completely engulfed by English ivy. It grows several feet deep, kudzu-like, covering tombstones and the remains of other plants. I'm not saying it's worse than the morning glory, which we DID make the mistake of planting -- but in my book, English Ivy in Southern California is a Devil Plant. Jeri (Ivy-less, thank God) |
RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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| LOL! My husband wants to know why I won't let him plant morning glory anywhere. He finally agreed to plant in a pot, where it dies every year... just the way I like it. Jerijen, HOW did you kill the ivy? We ripped it up and haven't watered anywhere near it for 3 years, but it's growing back! I looked up a few more... Lamarque, Madame Jules Gravereaux, Blush Noisette, but I think I'm going to try Zephirine Drouhin anyway, I just love it. Feel free to talk me out of it, I have suffered through enough fried roses due to my desire to have things I just cannot have. |
RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 2, 09 at 13:32
| Just to clarify, English Ivy is not the same as Boston Ivy. English Ivy is Hedera helix. Algerian Ivy, another problem plant in Southern California, is Hedera canariensis. Different genus altogether. |
RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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Apologies, Hoov. I'm afraid the word "ivy" is enough to make me flinch.
Growing, we thought we had killed the stuff several times. It always came back.
At last -- because it really was causing structural problems here, we resorted to a chemical designed specifically for the purpose of killing ivy.
(No, I don't like chemicals, but it WAS beginning to rip apart a fairly important and very old retaining wall.) The chemical did the trick. The stuff is gone.
And to our very great pleasure, the Baronne Prevost we thought it had finally killed actually came back.
We could call her "Lazarus," I guess.
============= We DID place large uprights at intervals along the wall, and nail redwood latticework panels to them. This has modified the effect of the reflected heat, and really helped the things planted there. Jeri |
RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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Your English ivy is tempting, I must say, even though my current ivy is horrific. And I can't find Grandmother's Hat anywhere, but I have time and I will be on the lookout. Does anyone know if the Huntington Library plant sales ever have this? I'm guessing they might have it at one of the big sales if not the bi-weekly sales, although I've never been to either.
I would take the day off work though, if I thought I could find it there. |
RE: suggestions for full sun location against concrete wall?
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| Does anyone know if the Huntington Library plant sales ever have this? *** I don't believe so.
But Vintage was offering it again, last time I looked, and they may also have Larry Daniels (the paler pink). And we will have it at the Sacramento City Cemetery Open Garden, on April 17, 2010. Jeri |
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