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Posted by celestialrose zone 4/NH (My Page) on Sat, Nov 7, 09 at 20:06
The winter of 2007 I tried my hand at growing roses from open-pollinated seeds I collected from my roses. It was a fun and fascinating experiment and yielded about 100 or so seedlings. Some of them were 'keepers', with about 5 of them being exceptionally pretty. I have shared photos of some of them before, but this striped seedling did not bloom until this past summer. It blooms in large clusters
and it did set hips in the fall. The leaves are very glossy and this seedling came through my zone 4 winter with no problem. I really like it!
I just wanted to share it with you all.....
Celeste
First blooms were single and the red was so dark it was
nearly black......
Then as the summer went on, the blooms became semi-double and ruffled around the edges......
I love the wide-eyed stamens.....
They appeared in good-sized clusters......
The individual blooms were so lovely.....
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RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| So what you going to name it and will you sell me some cuttings? |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Is this by any chance a seedling of Fourth of July? If so, I have one that looks very similar. Or if it is something else, do you know what? What striped roses do you grow? Very nice. Kathy |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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- Posted by beth NorCA 9 (My Page) on
Sat, Nov 7, 09 at 20:58
| Very nice!! But I always love stripeys!!! |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Karl....if it ever builds up to a good size, I can send you cuttings if you'd like. As for the name....I haven't thought one up yet. Any ideas? Kathy....I don't have 'Fourth of July' but from photos I have seen, I also think my seedling has a look of it. It is interesting to note that almost all my striped roses are once-blooming old roses (gallicas mainly) with the exception of 'Ferdinand Pichard' (which reblooms some). My only striped moderns are 'Cabana' and 'Moores Striped Rugosa'. Beth....I remember that you have an impressive collection of striped roses, so I know you would appreciate this little guy. I love how there is so much variation in the striping patterns. Celeste |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Hi Celeste, Thats some gorgeous stripeys you have. What is open pollinating seeds? I really want to attempt to cross some of my own roses and play around a little next year just not sure how to go about it. I know someone on here once told me how but I lost the thread on it. Hope all is well with your family. Thanks for sharing, Judy |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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"Celestial Rose" sounds like a winner and it's an apt name for such a nice looking rose. But, there are a number of roses named Celestial, an OGR light pink Alba, a 1924 light pink hybrid tea, and a light pink Hybrid Spinosissima, a pink Damask, Celestial Star a 1965 Floribunda, and a Celestial Tea Rose from 1829.
Or how about Celestial Fire or Celestial Flare? Two other names not taken.
I think you may have a winner here. You might think about patenting it or at least registering the name with the ARS.
Patenting would get you royalties should a destributor or vendor, like Weeks or another one, be willing to offer it on a national basis.
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Here is a link that might be useful: Roses named Celestial on HMF
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| OOOOH! Did you keep records of who the seed came from? |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| What is open pollinating seeds? That means the pollination was not controlled, so Celeste doesn't know where the pollen came from. She only knows who the "seed parent" was, and that only if she kept track of what rose she collected the seeds from. In HelpMeFind the parentage would be listed as "seedling of ______ ". NICE FLOWER, by the way! Is it fragrant? Is it a repeater? |
RE: names?
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| Using HelpMeFind the names "Winter Fire" and "Winter Flames" appear to be available. "Starburst", "Pinwheel", "Pinata" (how do I make the tilde?), and "Fireworks" are already all used multiple times. |
RE: Parfait?
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| The names "Berry Parfait", and "Raspberry Parfait" also appear to be free. "Parfait", "Cherry Parfait", and "Strawberry Parfait" have all been used, "Parfait" multiple times. |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| It does look alot like my 'Fourth of July', but different enough...:) I like the name "Cherry Bomb"... but that's already been taken. How about "Cherry Cheesecake"... it has all the right colors. Rob |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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Hi again...Judy and veilchen,
I have to admit that I don't know who either the seed OR the pollen parents are. This was just supposed to be an experiment to see if I could grow roses from seed, not any attempt at hybridizing. It was a very cold day in November and I was just snapping off hips here and there and sticking them in my coat, so they were all mixed together. I wanted to get experience with removing the seeds, stratifying them, and getting them to germinate. I never thought anything much would come of these amateur attempts. Had I known I would have some nice roses, I would have carefully taken notes. This was my first and only try at it, since the room I set up to start the seedlings under lights in, is now my elderly mother's room.
Others on here could tell you more about hybridizing. The bees did the work for me...LOL. Wow, thanks Karl. I am honored that you think it is worthy of registering. There seems to already be so many striped roses that I didn't know if it was special to anyone but me. My name being Celeste, I of course would like to somehow get my name or 'celestial' in there somehow. (Incidentally, what got me started growing roses was that my DH bought me the old alba 'Celeste' as a gift, and the rest is history.) You will have to let me in on the steps it takes to register or patent a rose, as I have absolutely no clue! I am wondering if it is best to wait until it has bloomed a second season, just to see if it will change any before doing so? york rose....I don't believe it is fragrant, but I don't actually think I took a sniff. It is a very good repeater, especially considering this was its first year blooming. It almost always had flowers all summer and kept blooming right into September when the last crop of flowers set hips. Rob, I am really liking that 'Cherry Cheesecake' idea...
one of my favorite desserts! It does look good enough to eat.
Thank you all for your interest and your name suggestions.
I will ponder them all over the winter. I can't tell yet if it is going to be a shrub or a climber since it is only about 2 feet right now...but it kind of grows like a shrub. I planted it in a less-than-optimal spot last fall because it hadn't bloomed yet so I didn't pay it much mind and I didn't think it would make it through the winter....it got no special treatment or much in the way of winter protection and it made it. So apparently it does have some vigor and hardiness. It stayed pretty clean as well, with no spraying. Celeste Couple more shots of my rose....taken in Sept.
 
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RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Congratulations on your new baby! Very, very pretty. I like the suggestion of 'celestial fire'. A successful experiment - you may be on to a new obsession. :) |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Oh, wow, what a beautiful seedling Celeste, so gorgeous! If it were up to me, LOL, I would have named it Celestial Sweetness, because!!!! it would reflect your! wonderful lovely personality. I love its touch of unique cinnamon pattens and swirls. Absolutely a winner, just as Karl says! |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| when the last crop of flowers set hips Hmmmm........ It sets seeds readily................ This has a possible future as a breeder? |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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- Posted by jont1 Midwest 5b/6a (My Page) on
Sun, Nov 8, 09 at 23:58
That is one lovely seedling and I hope that it does continue to grow, bloom, develop even more disease resistance, and get marketed so I can have one!!
I will also offer to test grow it for you here in the middle of the country. I have all four seasons and a rather nice growing season from the end of March until about Thanksgiving when we get our first real freezing temps.
I think you have a winner with this one and lot of people like those stripeys of any color.
Good Luck!!
Blessings,
John |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| holleygarden....Thanks! My DH thinks I should call it 'Celestial Fury' (ha-ha).....he accidently stepped on and broke one of my roses today while blowing leaves! Serena....so nice of you! It kinda does look sweet, doesn't it? Like a sweet, yummy dessert. york rose.....it is covered with clusters of hips, all 2 feet of it! So I guess it would be a good little breeder wouldn't it? I enjoy the beauty of the hips as well, so for me its a bonus. John....Thank you for your confidence in my little rose.
I think you and Karl would be great 'testers', so I will
remember your offer in the future. Celeste |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| I love it! I love the stripey roses and this one seems as if it is going to be hardy! Wow! And a repeat bloomer! Wow! And disease resitant! Wow! A definate winner in my books! I hope you patent it, I really want to buy one. :) Valerie |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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Celeste,
Your rose is beautiful. I, too, would buy this rose in a heartbeat! Congratulations on a winning rose. You "did good!". Lesley |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| So I guess it would be a good little breeder wouldn't it? If it covers itself that freely in hips my guess is that it self-pollinates very readily. As to whether it truly has a future as a breeder I suppose that would depend on how well the seeds germinate, but certainly if it sets seed that readily it seems to me like it may well have a future. |
RE: future
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| It will be very interesting to follow the future of this as it continues to grow. |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| A beauty! What a gem...and I don't even care for stripeys too much, in general. |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Celeste, How exciting! I love to plant rose seeds too. This striped rose is lovely. |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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- Posted by jim1961 5/6 central pa (My Page) on
Wed, Nov 11, 09 at 11:14
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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What a beauty. Congrats.
Nancy |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| I've always admired FOURTH OF JULY for its toughness, reliable repeat bloom and stunning blossoms with their apple-like fragrance. Unfortunately, it has evil thorns. If your rose has all those qualities minus the killer thorns then it would be an improvement on an already great rose. My name suggestion is JACKSON POLLOCK, after the famous artist known for his paint splatter technique. |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| It sure is pretty and showy. Did I miss something here? Do you know what type of rose it is or likely to be, i.e. single HT, FL, GR, shrub, miniflora, climber? The color, to me, suggests passion. I would be tempted to name it Camille's Song in honor and memory of one of my favorite composers, Camille Saint-Saens. One only has to listen to some of his music to feel and hear some electrifying passion especially in his organ concerto and the Danse Macabre. Both of these can be listened to on Youtube if you are interested. Just my view from this corner of the peanut gallery, for what it is worth. |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| THANK YOU to all of you for your input and compliments on my 'baby'. I will have to post again next year to update you all on its progress. Hopefully it will overwinter well again and will not fall prey to the deer, or the husband with the weed-wacker...LOL. Celeste |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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Put a wire cylinder around it and throw few leaves in it.
That should deter both deers(dears). |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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Hi Celeste,
What a beautiful rose you have. It must be really fun to create something as pretty as it is.
To my un-trained eye the striping pattern looks very similar to Moores Striped Rugosa, which it got from Ferdinand Pichard 5 or 6 generations back. So I guess it could have come from either one, since you have both. After doing a little research on Moores Striped Rugosa I found that in each generation the striping came from just one parent, usually the pollen parent (except for MSR where it came from the seed parent). This means that striping is a dominant trait and should show up in the offspring at least 50% of the time. So if you do decide to use it to breed with you should get a good number striped offspring. I used MSR pollen for the first time this year on several different plants and have a good number of seeds. After seeing your pictures it got me excited to see my seeds germinate and bloom to see how many striped ones I get. Regards,
Paul |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Karl - love your deer/dear comment! How true. Celeste - how about Glory-B! |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Celeste, I'm so excited about your new rose. It's gorgeous! I vote you name it just "Celeste." That's a good name, and you deserve it. Keep us posted on on Celeste--OK? Kate |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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There area number of roses named Celeste although no shrubs with that name.
Céleste (alba, syn. 'Celestial') (1739).
Céleste (gallica, Descemet, pre-1815) (1799).
Céleste (Hybrid China, Hybrid Tea / Large-Flowered, Tea.) (1845).
Céleste (centifolia)
Céleste (alba, Dupont, pre 1810)
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RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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- Posted by jont1 Midwest 5b/6a (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 16, 09 at 4:42
An OP or Open Pollinated hip/seed is the pollination of a rose flower and the resulting hips/seeds where there was no intentional cross made. Ma Nature took care of the fertilization herself either by the rose self-pollinating itself with it's own pollen or by an insect going from one rose bloom to another and carrying pollen around with it, thereby pollinating roses with pollen from other blooms it had visited.
Hope this clears that up for you.
John |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| What a spectacular and healthy baby! I would love to have one, but I doubt that it would be happy way down here... to me, that rose looks like Christmas. It reminds me of the red and white poinsettias sold around Christmas time, and of the red rose pictures on old Victorian Christmas cards. 'Celeste Noel'? |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| I don't really care for striped roses, but I really like that one! Good job! Deanna |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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Hi everyone!
Once again, great comments and name suggestions!
I think all of your ideas are worth pondering and I will
have to try to decide on a name one day. I am saving
this post so I can keep all your suggestions for consideration.
I can't wait til next summer when I can see what my seedling will do. I promise to keep you all up-to-date. Thanks, rose-friends!! Celeste |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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| Do you think that this rose would look good in an arrangement or bouquet with something like Dainty Bess or Sparrieshoop? I think it would, but I am just curious. |
RE: My really cool striped seedling (photos)
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Celeste, Thank you for sharing your beautiful striped seedling. It's a keeper. I love striped roses too, and yours has nice wavy petals. Your pictures are nice too. Put me on the list for one of them if it turns out to be a good one for you!
Terry/San Jose |
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