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Posted by prettypetals GA 7 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 2, 09 at 21:06
| Hi everyone, How is it working for those of you that grow clematis up and through your roses that are not on any kind of structure? I grow several on my arbors but wanted to grow some clematis on some roses or other bushes that aren't attached to any kind of structure. Any pros and con experiences would be appreciated. Thanks a bunch, Judy |
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| I am also very interested in this answer. Thanks for posting it, Judy. I think integrifolas are recommended but I don't know much about them. |
RE: Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!
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| Hello, Miss Judy, how are you? I have a couple of 'MULTI-BLUE' clematis growing up through 'ALOHA', who is a climber but is strong enough to be a self-supporting tall shrub. In the early spring, I simply prune the clematis down to a set of flowering buds since it blooms on new wood and pull out the vines from the rose. Not a good deal at all... It looks absolutely gorgeous when in bloom...those big blue clematis flowers with the salmon-pink rose blossoms. I grow lots of clematis, including the integrifolas...I think the key is that the rose would have to be tall and strong enough to support the clematis. Also..make sure you are combining great color combos. One I would NOT advise planting with roses is 'LADY BIRD JOHNSON'. She's so, so beautiful...but she demands her whole trellis and is quite the space hog and is overwhelming. 'BETTY CORNING' is also huge, mine is grown as a self-supporting shrub. 'PRINCESS DIANA' would be a good choice'....she's a sweet pink and is delicate...wouldn't overwhelm.
-terry |
RE: Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!
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| Hi redsox, I see Miss TJ has gave us some good suggestions. I have already ordered some clematis so I hope some of them will work good. Hey Miss Terry, I ordered Princess Diana so I am in luck with that one. You and redsox mentioned integrifolas, what is that? I'm guessing a type of clematis. I am not sure what type I have since I ordered them haphaplessly, as I do everything, so I will try to figure out what kind they are. I just received them yesterday with some perennial geranium I had ordered. Your Aloha and Midnight Blue sounds scrumpcious!! I was hoping since I was going to add them to roses I already had and knew what color they were that I could match them with a pretty color clematis. Wish me luck!! Your friend, Judy |
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| Judy, Princess Diana is an integrifola, I believe. Integrifolas have the small bell blossoms, not the big star blossoms. HelpMeFind also has a clematis forum...you can look up different varieties on there. I also grow a luscious dark blue called 'durandii', but it doesn't twine...you have to twine it up. It will simply scramble over the ground. I even have clematis growing up through lilac bushes, up over my potting shed, over the mailbox, etc. I love them as much as roses! One pointer about clems....they enjoy mulch at their feet, and their vines in the sun. You'll do great with them.
Don't work too hard today!
Your northern friend,
-TJ |
RE: Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!
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| Thanks TJ, Diana might be the only integrifola I have then. I didn't realize they all don't twine by themselves. ARRGH! I have gotten several clems over the last few years. I have a bad obsession with plants. When I buy a new plant and love it I tend to go wild and get lots of them in all different colors. My husband thinks i'm looney! Would luuuuv to have some lilacs too. We have so many trees, which my hubby loves, so it makes it hard to have enough sun spots for everything I want. Thanks for your help, Hope you have a great day. Take care, Judy |
RE: Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 3, 09 at 13:46
| I didn't have a lot of luck with that technique. The clematis never seemed to get enough sun to get going. |
RE: Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!
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| It hasn't worked well for me. Polish Spirit engulfed Brother Cadfael and most of the other combos the clematis has yet to get going. I moved PS over to Sombreulli. I think that may work, PS and Sombreulli are both huge and vigourous. |
RE: Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!
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| Judy, I should mention a big mistake I made also. I planted Rooguchi, which I love, love, love, with Reine des Violettes in its second year. Bad combo. The clematis completely engulfed the rose. I am a complete novice at this pairing business and it seems like it takes some experience. I will have to move Rooguchi this spring, in fact, I was about to post pictures for some suggestions. Since you are in Zone 7 I would imagine that your roses would not have as much dieback as mine in a rough winter. So your roses would be taller to prop up the clematis. Over here, I'm not yet sure how my roses will make it through the winter and if they die to the ground or just six inches, say, that is not much of a rose to climb on. Like I said, this is all pretty new to me. I did read in Garden Gate recently that Princess Diana can also be used as kind of a groundcover with roses and perennials and instead of staking it you could just let it run around on the ground. |
RE: Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!
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| My 'PRINCESS DIANA' doesn't require any staking at all; it's self-sufficient at just grabbing whatever is handy and twining around it. I had an old pole that a defunct satellite dish used to be mounted on...I wrapped chicken wire around it and planted PD in front of it. It covered up the eyesore pole and looks beautiful with Princess Diana in bloom. |
RE: Clematis intertwined with roses not on any kind of structure!
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| Thanks everyone for your experiences. I think I will try one or two and see how it does. I was wondering if the clematis started to get to, to thick I might could cut some of it out and try not to hurt the rose or the clematis if possible. I don't know!! I just wanted to try it for myself and live and learn, right?? : ))) Thanks for everything, Judy |
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