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| Hi all,
We will be planting some climbers next year in our sometimes foggy coastal weather - Z10. Every time I read good reviews about a climbing rose I later find negative posts about the same rose. Any suggestions for climbers in the cooler coastal weather? I've read about America but am a little worried about the 41+ petals b/c some roses will nod excessively from the wetness with our foggy overcast weather. How would you compare Blaze vs. Dublin Bay? I've heard Blaze gets some disease vs. another red, Dublin Bay, that it is a slow grower? How about Altissimo for an arbor? Too leggy and barren at the bottom? Westerland is beautiful in pics; any experience here in SoCal coastal areas? How about Pinkie vs. Jeanne la Joie? Royal Sunset? At our old house near here we had 2 great New Dawn climbers that were enormous. But they are too big for our yard here. Lastly, anyone's experience with Laguna, Flutterbye, Ghislaine de Feligonde, the Rambler? TIA Lee |
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- Posted by amandahugg SS19 CA (My Page) on Tue, Nov 29, 11 at 0:51
| You have lots of good choices but, as you alluded, stay away from the heavier petaled varieties. Dublin Bay and Altissimo both do well. Not Don Juan. Westerland turns into a stingy non-blooming monster. Pinkie and the ramblers will get very big. Flutterbye could bloom more in the fall. Fourth of July is fantastic as is Sally Holmes (although a little stingy in rebloom). Look at Purple Splash...it was great at Rose Hills. |
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| Don't plant New Dawn. With no winter chill at all, it becomes a mildew factory along the SoCal coast. Flutterbye, more a BUSH rose, blooms heavily. Altissimo can do well. The loveliest one I've ever seen went up the side of a home in La Conchita. Fourth of July is excellent near the coast. I could be tempted by Purple Splash, but have no experience with it. Sally Holmes IS bountiful in the spring, but sparse thereafter. Secret Garden Musk Climber is far better, as it repeats all year. And, along the coast, you can get some bloom throughout the year from Fortuniana (which is also disease-free, rampant of growth, and fragrant. The Tea-Noisettes -- Reve d'Or and Lamarque love the coast. The other yellow Tea-Noisettes -- don't -- requiring more heat than you can give them. For a more moderate climber, the Hybrid Musk, Cornelia, can be great here. If you can find 'Super Jane,' go for it. It looks like being a winner here. Dublin Bay never made anything but a nice bush here. I suspect it wants more heat than we get. One more heavily-petalled rose that will work here at the coast is the Cl. "Sombreuil,' which has good disease-resistance and repeats faithfully, if deadheaded. I am cautiously-optimistic about Cl. Cramoisi Superieur here, but my plant is still very immature. And of course, the banksias -- particularly "Yellow Lady Banks" (R. banksia lutea) will repeat here through the year, just as Fortuniana does -- while growing to massive proportions. Purezza -- which LOOKS like White Lady Banks, WILL repeat through the year here, and is blooming well right now, in Camarillo -- BUT it will take several years to mature, before the repeat kicks in. Jeri |
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| Thank you Jeri and amandahugg for the ideas. I very much appreciate your thoughts! Lee |
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| 'Laguna'...so far, a once (spring only) bloomer here. 100% clean the first three years, but it had a bad case of anthracnose last winter. And a 20' wide rose with anthracnose is a painful thing to look at. What about 'Secret Garden Musk Climber'? Is that a mildewer by the coast? It's clean here. It blooms like crazy year round. Fragrant, too. |
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| Secret Garden Musk Climber can mildew a little as a very tiny immature own-root, but once mature, it does not mildew. It never rusts. In extreme conditions, it can blackspot a little along the bottom of the plant, but never under ordinary conditions. And it blooms through the year. My husband "prunes" it with hedge clippers, around late January, but other than that, ours receives no particular attention. Jeri |
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| Jeri, your input has sent me off on a mission to learn more about the old rose types with the help of HMF. I appreciate your thoughts because now I am more in tune with the long established roses vs. the more modern types. VERY INTERESTING!! Thanks hoovb from steering me away from Laguna. It was one I was originally considering. I am trying to find the best candidates for disease resistance (especially mildew and BS due to our fog), size of plant for my space and for more prolific flowering ability. I don't mind training, fertilizing, dead-heading, pruning, waiting a few years for maturity, etc. But I would prefer to avoid spraying (only a little bit if really necessary). I hope to avoid it a s a routine chore but maybe I am dreaming??? I will have to spray some of my HT roses but to spray an established climber is a lot more of a challenge. I am looking into the following roses after some contemplation considering the helpful input received here on the forum: Candidates for an 8 ft. high trellis by 10'-15' wide area facing east with 3/4 day full sun: Secret Garden Musk climber Candidates for my smaller space - a 7' trellis by 8-10' wide area facing east with 3'4 day full sun: Cornelia Candidates for my big space along a 4 ft. high wall by 20 ft. fence (it can have spaced trellises if necessary - faces south, sun pretty much all day): Old Blush I read differing opinions on mildew concerning MAC (Madame Alfred Carriere), Jeanne La Joie and Lavender Lassie.... but I will probably stay away from them if there is any doubt? I have had some balling and botrytis in the past so I am trying to stick with roses with fewer petals. I like the look of Sombreull but the 41+ petals and the fog??? Am I heading in the right direction????? Thanks for your help --- it's great having experienced opinions before planting and finding out the hard way (although there are no guarantees --- just like to improve my odds of success). Lee |
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| Mildew, prickles and total lack of any repeat flowering after seven years resulted in my removing Lavender Lassie from a Valencia garden. I believe it requires more chill hours than we can give it. I "inherited" the Valencia plant. It was identical to the way the Lavender Lassie from a different source failed to perform for me in Granada Hills years before. Mme. Alfred has beautiful flowers and a lovely peppery scent to the new growth, but it mildewed continuously in Valencia all the years it grew there and wanted to be too huge to provide too few flowers so it went away. Very good rose for areas without what it takes to stimulate mildew and where it can be given enough room. Just not there. Kim |
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| Secret Garden Musk climber Reve d' Or *** Either Should do what you want admirably. Grandmother's Hat Candidates for my smaller space - a 7' trellis by 8-10' wide area facing east with 3'4 day full sun: I've had a Joseph's Coat climber before but when it got big & thorny the pruning and dead heading was WOW! Candidates for my big space along a 4 ft. high wall by 20 ft. fence (it can have spaced trellises if necessary - faces south, sun pretty much all day): Old Blush I read differing opinions on mildew concerning MAC (Madame Alfred Carriere), *** MAC will, as Kim notes, mildew at a low level ALL the time. :-) YMMV. Jeri |
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| Thanks Jeri and roseseek! I very much appreciate the feedback and advice... Jeri.... Yes that's the one! Back to research! Lee |
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| Lee, my favorite "Ragged Robin" is one I collected in a vacant lot, where a small 1880 cottage once stood. (Burned down in the 1960's.) "Ragged Robin" was widely used as Rootstock, and has been widely collected as a "foundling," so it varies considerably from one plant to another. But I don't know a BAD "Ragged Robin." If you live in Southern California, you should grow this rose. |
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- Posted by peachiekean z10a CA So. Cal. (My Page) on Sat, Dec 3, 11 at 1:10
| I have a couple you mentioned. Altissimo is a good rose for me with little problem. It does get tall and has large hips at the top that'll have to come off next month. Mine is growing to about 15 ft. right now, straight up. The tripod I planted it on is dwarfed by it. Newer with no problems is Autumn Sunset. Related to Westerland, it's sort of orange gold and free blooming and no disease so far. I'm not sure how large it will be. I'm happy with it. |
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| Thank you so much for all your comments -- they have been very helpful. The roses on my pergola have been overwhelmed by rust and I'm tired of all the spraying and stripping leaves and bared rose canes. I've been looking for a very vigorous, disease-resistant climber that can withstand foggy, damp and windy conditions. I was thinking of replacing it with Sally Holmes but after reading your postings, I'm now thinking of Secret Garden Musk Climber or Sombreuil. I should mention that I have a huge healthy Cecile Brunner that blooms mainly in spring and probably want my new climber to bloom throughout the growing season. I'll appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks. |
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| I can STRONGLY recommend Secret Garden Musk Climber for coastal Southern California. It's never out of bloom here. Also, it rusteth not, neither doth it mildew. Once in a great while, when a mass of tropical air settles over us, it blackspots a little bit, mostly near the base. I can tolerate that. What else? We have three of it, now, all grown from the plants in the Historic Sacramento City Cemetery, and purchased at their spring sale. Though still immature, they're wonderful, floriferous, disease-free, fragrant, and bear blooms that are handsome in a vase on a high shelf. I was admiring, this morning, the beautiful mahogany-red new foliage, springing up all over these plants. 'Reve d'Or' For Our area, too, I would recommend Cl. Sombreuil. Almost completely disease-free, very very fragrant, lovely, and great in a vase or on the plant. One caveat: It's a prickly devil! In my thus-far limited experience with it, I would recommend Cl. Cramoisi Superieur. A real beauty, well suited to our area, and fragrant to boot. For a modern rose, I still love 'Fourth of July,' which I think is one of Tom Carruth's great accomplishments. 'Fourth of July' All of these roses succeed on a Camarillo hillside, in sight of the sea, with frequent fog, constant afternoon west-wind, and increasily-frequent East winds. Jeri |
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| Jeri, Thank you so much for your quick reply. After researching some more and now reading your reply, I think that I've decided on the Secret Garden Musk Climber. I had seriously considered Sombreuil but I worried with so many petals, I might have some trouble with it. I hadn't even heard of SGMC until reading this forum and it seems to be the answer I've been looking for. Thank you again, Marilyn |
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- Posted by ken-n.ga.mts (My Page) on Wed, Feb 29, 12 at 22:29
| What about Spectra??? I've seen big beautiful bushs of it around the upper east coast of FL. where it gets foggy all the time. I've seen it cover a huge trellis not more then 100 yards from the beach. A beautiful, much overlooked climber. |
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| Marilann -- As much as I love SGMC, I am also in honor bound to tell you that, tho she posesses innumerable petals, Cl. Sombreuil opens here well, in almost all weather. So you are fine with either of them. :-) Jeri |
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